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Old 20 April 2006, 21:35   #91
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Get a life guys! I'm new to RIB ing but one thing I've learnt is that there are a lot of opiniated people on this forum who have many axes to grind. We all have our favourites and that includes the boats we use, but ultimately we're in this to have a good time out at sea in fantastic machines that we have the great privilege to be able to afford.

Of course there are design similarities but show me one RIB design that is "unique" and I'll eat my stethoscope!



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how about this one... a one off. I am sure there are probably others. Anyone??
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Old 20 April 2006, 23:35   #92
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how about this one... a one off. I am sure there are probably others. Anyone??
Still looks like a RIB to me.
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Old 21 April 2006, 03:06   #93
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Hello Leeway..................Quote........One of my ribswas at Henshaws?? what was the colour before they got it? Are you saying they were removed from your boat and was there more than one because i would have thought you would no what colour it was .Regards P
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Old 21 April 2006, 03:21   #94
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Nos4r2 : Hows the Frontera working out? I've a 2.2 dti from new,!!!
WOW, you really are a glutton for punishment!

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Old 21 April 2006, 03:29   #95
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Confusion on the "toobing" front, me thinks. Ed's pics are a Shakespeare hull, by the look of it, being tubed and Peter's boat is a Shakespeare......tubed by Olmec and then subsequently re-tubed by Chris at Henshaws....
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Old 21 April 2006, 03:59   #96
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I think the parentage of many of the RIBs out there is somewhat obscure anyway so I wouldn't let the splashing bit on it's own put you off.
An unsurprising attitude, given that your own boat derives, I believe, from a Revenger hull. And as to the best of my knowledge, Mike has never 'Sold' his design to anyone, it was as usual, just taken, tho' not necessarily directly by the builders of your boat.
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To put the story straight on who does the tubing:

We at Olmec ....and Paul Tilley.

... Oh, and goodnight Peter.
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Old 21 April 2006, 09:09   #98
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An unsurprising attitude, given that your own boat derives, I believe, from a Revenger hull. And as to the best of my knowledge, Mike has never 'Sold' his design to anyone, it was as usual, just taken, tho' not necessarily directly by the builders of your boat.
And I have no doubt that many other boats are mods of older designs. If there was NO copying going on there would only be ONE Rib maker - Avon or Flatacraft or Zodiac or Atlantic college or similar.

Same with aircraft - the Wright Brothers get all the credit and yet probably the true father of aviation is Sir George Cayley who developed most of the things needed - he was just too early and didn't have a suitable engine.

Look at stepped hulls - someone MUST have come up with it first - they have been in use for over 100 years - so maybe ALL stepped hulls are just copies of some poor sod's original design.
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Codprawn, we're not talking about being inspired by other ideas, we're talking about stealing by taking a direct copy of someone elses work and passing it off as their own. You're in IT, so perhaps you'll understand this perspective.

If you and I both write a system, that performs the same task, this is not copying, despite the fact that the code in the system may share some similarities. They might both be written in java, use oracle as a database, and implement various other "best practice" methodologies. We can however both claim credit for having written the systems ourselves.

However, if you write some code, which I then cut & paste, and change a few screens here and there to make it look different, and then claim to be my own, this is copying, or in the context of boats splashing.

As with code, parentage of boat hull is easily distinguishable. If someone builds their own plug, from scratch, the hull will be unique, irrespective of how influenced by others their design is. However, if 1 or more component of the hull is splashed, it's pretty easily identifiable. This is the case with Leeway's ribs. He took a Phantom 18, did a bit of cut and shut, and claims it to be his own design.

To apply the same comparison to other professions, if jonmitch spent the best part of his career writing a medical paper, which someone changed a few words in and published claiming to be their own, would he be a happy man? I think not.

I find it shocking and deeply disappointing that none of you give a shit about this, I can only suppose ignorance is bliss. I thought, and still hope, that most people here were better than that.
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