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Old 08 May 2013, 18:21   #51
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The arrogant irresponsible few will continue to drive without seatbelts / drink drive / drive while holding a mobile phone / not wear lifejackets / refuse to put on the kill cord regardless of legislation or laws.

But if you can educate the majority to the benefits of using a kill cord that's a major win.
I think we agree there then, education not legislation and new laws
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So, how long was it known that its common sense to wear seat belts?
how much "education" was put in place (Clunk Click)?
Yet it wasn't till it was made illegal not too that attitudes changed.

Yes, some still don't wear a belt but the majority do.
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So, how long was it known that its common sense to wear seat belts?
how much "education" was put in place (Clunk Click)?
Yet it wasn't till it was made illegal not too that attitudes changed.

Yes, some still don't wear a belt but the majority do.
But how are you going to in force it?????
The open sea is a very big area to police!
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So, how long was it known that its common sense to wear seat belts?
how much "education" was put in place (Clunk Click)?
Yet it wasn't till it was made illegal not too that attitudes changed.

Yes, some still don't wear a belt but the majority do.
I suspect that the red light on the dashboard and the annoying beepers had far more influence on wearing seatbelts than the law did.
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But how are you going to in force it?????
The open sea is a very big area to police!
and i say again... just because its hard to enforce doesnt mean its not worth doing.

Start withe the areas that DO have enforcement.
MOD plod in Portsmouth Harbor.
Regular marine police in the Solent.
If the QHM can come over an moan at me as i crossed the channel 50 meters the wrong side of the marker they can do something which will have a greater positive impact.

OK not all areas have this level of coverage, in the same way if you see a copper in Dale (West Wales), you can bet hes lost.
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I suspect that the red light on the dashboard and the annoying beepers had far more influence on wearing seatbelts than the law did.
Now there is an idea that could work. plug/clip stitched to the LJ which completes the circuit when plugged into the kill cord?
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So, how long was it known that its common sense to wear seat belts?
how much "education" was put in place (Clunk Click)?
Yet it wasn't till it was made illegal not too that attitudes changed.

Yes, some still don't wear a belt but the majority do.
http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/...elt-report.pdf

Suggests that (1) 300+ lives a year are saves by seatbelts (2) about 14% of the population are apparently intermittent users! although it seems only about 5% of drivers are when driving. (3) its estimated another 300 lives a year could be saved if there was 100% compliance with this law. (4) Professional drivers seem less likely to wear than car drivers.

So: - the scale of the problem is rather different (probably 500x more impact from car law?)
- its much easier to enforce on the road (existing infrastructure, identifiable drivers, identifiable vehicles, defined roads v's open sea)
- even where there is enforcement and recognition of the benefits compliance is far from 100%.

Actually - the bloody annoying "pinging" that modern cars do probably has more to do with compliance than the vague possibility you might get 60 fine if you happen to get caught!
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So if you want to swap drivers you have to swap lifejackets?
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and i say again... just because its hard to enforce doesnt mean its not worth doing.

Start withe the areas that DO have enforcement.
MOD plod in Portsmouth Harbor.
Regular marine police in the Solent.
If the QHM can come over an moan at me as i crossed the channel 50 meters the wrong side of the marker they can do something which will have a greater positive impact.

OK not all areas have this level of coverage, in the same way if you see a copper in Dale (West Wales), you can bet hes lost.
They can see your boat. It's a bit bigger and more visible than a killcord

It's not difficult to enforce, it's impossible. That and as I said earlier,ask government to intervene and we'll end up with a 'department' that wants to justify its existence in order to keep themselves in employment.
Once somebody trying to keep themselves in a job starts to produce studies, MPs think they can gain votes by 'helping'.
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