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Old 22 April 2015, 15:05   #51
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Oh contaraire , I believe I have said I have used them in the past, and will use them in the future. .
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Old 22 April 2015, 15:31   #52
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Oh contaraire , I believe I have said I have used them in the past, and will use them in the future. .
I see so you were lying when you said
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7 years on fishfarm with open voeboats with twin 50's , and never. It would be too unsafe to wear the cord. Yes, 'unsafe'.
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? Didn't just go in boats with cords at work......as I already stated.

Comorehendo problemo... Figures.
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Shows an opinion with no demonstrated facts.

heres another.
Too right that page shows a statement without factual basis - there's no way she's "Britain's biggest glamour model".
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And re seat belts....
The Hidden Danger of Seat Belts - TIME


A quick google shows at least one risk analyst thinks things got worse.

Safer you are, worse you'll behave...
Homing in on this

Seat belts: another look at the data | John Adams

I've not had time to read it thoroughly, but based on a quick scan i think his argument is that road deaths for vulnerable users (cyclists & pedestrians) got worse whilst deaths for car occupants (the ones wearing seatbelts) reduced.

I'm not totally convinced about the stats in general (a single coincidental spike rather than long-term trend), but I get the impression that you were implying that wearing seatbelts was somehow worse for car occupants, which is not the claim.

Apologies if i've misunderstood what you were claiming.
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Is it not the case that seatbelts, like other safety features, give drivers a sense of invulnerability, tending to travel at higher speeds (and the need for more safety features to mitigate the increased risk, etc., etc.,)?

It is often suggested that deaths on the road would come down to almost nothing if cars were made from cardboard and there were big spikes coming out of the centre of the steering wheel.
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Is it not the case that seatbelts, like other safety features, give drivers a sense of invulnerability, tending to travel at higher speeds (and the need for more safety features to mitigate the increased risk, etc., etc.,)?

It is often suggested that deaths on the road would come down to almost nothing if cars were made from cardboard and there were big spikes coming out of the centre of the steering wheel.
That is the claim, and I agree that risk compensation will be a factor, but i've not seen specific stats on whether our risk compensation tends to over-compensate or under-compensate.

Based on the stats presented that show car occupant deaths decreasing I get the impression that we're generally risk-averse and would under-compensate so whilst we might drive a bit faster through feeling safer (also due to airbags, anti-lock brakes etc. not just seatbelts), we'll still be less likely to be killed in resultant crashes, but unfortunately the vulnerable road users can pay a price if they are involved.
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Is it not the case that seatbelts, like other safety features, give drivers a sense of invulnerability, tending to travel at higher speeds (and the need for more safety features to mitigate the increased risk, etc., etc.,)?
It is often suggested that deaths on the road would come down to almost nothing if cars were made from cardboard and there were big spikes coming out of the centre of the steering wheel.
From a bikers point of view we are made of "cardboard", and there are spikes coming from our steering device (brake levers, handle bar ends etc), and on some roads guillotine on the central reservation(those wire dividers).

That dosent mean that wearing leathers and a helmet is not prudent and advisable, and that those precautions do saves lives.

Kill-cords do prevent death and injury there can be no rational argument to the contrary, I challenge anyone to find an MIAB or similar type of body, who have stated that the primary reason for a death or injury was the use of a kill-cord.
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That is the claim, and I agree that risk compensation will be a factor, but i've not seen specific stats on whether our risk compensation tends to over-compensate or under-compensate.

Based on the stats presented that show car occupant deaths decreasing I get the impression that we're generally risk-averse and would under-compensate so whilst we might drive a bit faster through feeling safer (also due to airbags, anti-lock brakes etc. not just seatbelts), we'll still be less likely to be killed in resultant crashes, but unfortunately the vulnerable road users can pay a price if they are involved.
Off on a tangent, but one thing that occurred to me some time ago was how the perception of speed can be significantly altered depending on the car you're in.

I went from driving an aged Citroen AX with no power steering/fancy brakes etc which used to shake and rattle, have massive wind-noise in the cabin, a sense of understeering when taking a mild corner at 40mph etc straight into my dad's fancy Nissan which I took for a test drive on my own, and found myself going significantly faster than intended because it was so quiet and mild-mannered. I was wearing a seat-belt in both cars, so the (unintentional) speed increase was independent of that (and airbags), was purely based on how well the car handled (and how quiet it was).

It made me think that maybe we should have mechanisms that deliberately rattle a bit when you go too fast.

Turning back to this topic, i don't think wearing a kill cord changes the perception of speed (/ability to handle bigger seas) either. Maybe those with longer boats that ride better in bigger seas end up taking more risks since they could end up in the drink in decidedly more unpleasant circumstances than the rest of us. However, as a leisure boater I have a choice about when to go out and how many to take with me. I appreciate that it's more complicated when it's your job and if you don't go out on your own in unpleasant conditions they may well find someone who will.
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I think you are all missing the real question here...

How did the 'rozzers' spot you had a loose battery...
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