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Old 21 April 2015, 15:56   #21
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A good few years on and off with ribs and I have maybe wore the cord 3 times, generally if an 8 or above. Close a couple of times, but if you have no strength in your hands/thighs , then you should not be at sea.

7 years on fishfarm with open voeboats with twin 50's , and never. It would be too unsafe to wear the cord. Yes, 'unsafe'. Utterly ridiculous to make a song and safety dance, huh, safety dance, about it.



It is like safety belts in cars, deaths went down whilst long term injuries of being minced for the rest of your life went through the roof. As you might've done. But that's not the point.
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Old 21 April 2015, 16:03   #22
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? Not sure of the two refs... Not a troll effort believe it or not.

I just don't get the love in from the authorities on kill cords. I found them to be a very large danger, yet was told to wear them by my employers because of pressure from on high .
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Old 21 April 2015, 17:04   #23
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Why do you find them a very large danger?
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It is like safety belts in cars, deaths went down whilst long term injuries of being minced for the rest of your life went through the roof.
That's interesting. Do you have any figures or other references to back that up?
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Old 22 April 2015, 02:36   #25
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Why do you find them a very large danger?
When coming alongside a barge/platform in rough weather, you don't have the time to undo the cord and make a 'grab' on the other side of the boat.
Indeed, if you forgot you had it on and tried it, engine cuts and you're screwed. Ropes in props or worse.


Sorry , don't know how to multiquote..

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Its from memory of going through my test not long after the seatbelt law came in , and what was in the press at the time.
Law was 82/83 from memory and my Test was 84.

I 'may' be wrong but it is my understanding through all the years, and I would still want the Law repealed.
This is from someone who lost both parents in a crash in the 70's and I am positive they wouldn't have been wearing belts.
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Its from memory of going through my test not long after the seatbelt law came in ,
they've really dumbed down the theory element of the test by not asking new drivers to appraise statistical effectiveness of safety measures haven't they!

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and what was in the press at the time.
Obviously nobody can be sure what you read at the time, but the general consensus soon after was it was a massive success and you can go back and look at the data yourself and you will see that there has not been an increase in serious injuries amongst drivers and passengers! What you may have read, and misunderstood, is discussion of "risk compensation" the concept that a driver wearing a seatbelt feels subconsciously safer and thus will take greater chances - this increasing the risk of an accident and the increase in risk to other road users, particularly cyclists and pedestrians, who are not similarly protected. It is potentially a valid argument in a kill chord or life jacket type debate - but anyone using it would need to really understand it to avoid simply creating a straw man argument.

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and I would still want the Law repealed.
You might need to hone your argument a little to convince government though - they'll generally be more interested in sound reasoning and data than "Robert thinks they are a bad idea". Paramedics and A&E doctors get a distorted view of life because they see more accidents than normal people - but you might want to ask one of them if they think seat belts are a bad idea?

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When coming alongside a barge/platform in rough weather, you don't have the time to undo the cord and make a 'grab' on the other side of the boat.
You'll find others here who agree that for close quarters work a kill chord can be an inconvenience. You'll also find people who argue that in true rough water situations (ironically the one time you say you did use it!) that they could be problematic. I've never seen any of them argue that makes them pointless for the other 99% of the time - they just remove it before they need to dance around the boat. I think if it is that critical you need to look at your system of working and see if there are other ways to "grab" the boat or you need a crew. Jumping around a boat in rough water doesn't sound like a controlled approach.
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Indeed, if you forgot you had it on and tried it, engine cuts and you're screwed. Ropes in props or worse.
I'm not sure how a dead engine sucks a rope into its prop - but I'll accept that an unexpected cut off can cause problems. I'm not sure the consequences of those problems outweigh the consequence of being hit by a spinning prop, or an uncontrolled high powered boat careering out of control towards other water users.

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Sorry , don't know how to multiquote..

Re john kennets post...
Welcome to RIBnet, Robert. Have you seen RHIBs yet?

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If you MUST be a pedant and destroy everything with perfectly good reasoning at least spell CORD right
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If you MUST be a pedant and destroy everything with perfectly good reasoning at least spell CORD right
I'd spotted that, but didn't want to be.... pedantic
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I'd spotted that, but didn't want to be.... pedantic
I thought we were missing something since the Facebook revolt.

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