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Old 21 September 2011, 10:08   #11
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+1 for the good weather approach.

Just to play devil's advocate, is tethered to a bench seat a good idea? Bench seats generally are at the stern. If the kid goes over the side for whatever reason, will the tether be long enough to let them "body surf" clear of the engine, or as most of these straps seem to be about 1.5m, will they end up being held in place right beside the mincer?
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Old 21 September 2011, 12:13   #12
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Thanks for all the responses, some great advice and food for thought, quite a few things I'd never really considered.

Think I may well purchase some harnesses for the kids and keep them onboard, so I have them should I ever feel they are required, I really don't intend on taking the kids out on her in any conditions that'll scare them or us for that matter, but I've learned from my sailing days that the weather can change pretty quickly in this country. I'm now starting to think that if I do feel the need to use them that I'll harness them to the adult on the seat with them rather than the boat, particularly those on the bench seat.

I'll definitely look into getting the dog a harness, we've never used one on her previously (never really needed to) she tends to spend most of the time sleeping when she's on my Mum & Dads boat and the only time she's ever gone in from the dinghy she just swam to the shore, guess she won't do quite as much sleeping on the RIB and the shore might not always be possible.

She currently has a real lack of equipment on board, no depth sounder, gps, vhf etc. so over the winter I'll be looking to kit her out with some gadgets and possibly an auxilliary. I'll also look into some of the suggestions re: webbing, checking the seat mounts (there are plenty of screws holding them down down but water does appear to be getting into the locker underneath, so I think the sealant needs replaced at the very least) etc.

The RYA PB2 course is definitely on the cards aswell, I've been sailing and pottering about in SIB's for most of my days, but when we trialled the boat before we bought her I realised very quickly that this was quite different (much faster) from anything I've done previously. It was a pretty wild day on Loch Neagh (blowing hard and plenty of white horses) when we trialled her, she handled the conditions brilliantly, which is comforting to know, but I think it would be good for my own peace of mind to have at least done the course.

Our first time (and probably last time this season) out with her will most likely be Loch Lomond in the next couple of weeks; myself and my wife are going to go up (without the kids & dog) and spend a bit of time practicing launching/recovery, communication and getting used to her etc.

Afraid I can't take any credit for the boats name, it was the previous owners that named her, but we really like it and it's very apt given that's where she'll be spending most of her time. I think for the most part we'll be dotting about the Clyde estuary (chasing my Mum & Dad and their cronies), launching somewhere around Inverkip/Largs and travelling to Kyles of Bute, Arran, Cumbrae, Loch Goilhead etc. I'm also hoping to increase the amount of camping we do next year, so we'll tow her with us to a campsite and use the site as a bit of a base to explore a bit further up the west coast, show the wife and kids some of the wonderful (and more inaccesible) places where I spent some of my childhood, Ardinamir on Luing is a particular favourite of mine :-).

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Old 21 September 2011, 12:17   #13
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Continuing in the devils advocate theme, if it ain't going to capsize or sink, & the sprogs are fastened in, what's the point of a lifejacket?(apart from keeping the Ribnet life jacket militia happy that is)
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Old 21 September 2011, 16:36   #14
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My solution for a 2 year old a few years ago...

http://www.rib.net/forum/attachment....6&d=1181599288

He's now 6 and more than capable of hanging on to a grab rail sitting on a jockey.

Lifejackets are a must IMO if they fall in without one its game over. Once they get old enough to be comfortable on a jockey I would not bother with straps or a tether.

Main thing is don't take them out when its rough. Once they will start to get windy about the boat it will take months if not years for them to get back into it.
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Old 21 September 2011, 17:19   #15
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Graham,

Some tips for Loch Lomond:

(1) Beware although it is inland it can still kick up some significant waves. Its particularly important you make this clear to your other half or she will be discouraged from taking it out in the sea if "thats how bad it was in a loch".

(2) Don't go to "practice launch and recovery" on the Glasgow sept weekend (is that this weekend?)
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Old 22 September 2011, 04:05   #16
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Like the car seat trick, will keep that one in mind.

I think september weekend is this weekend, won't be practising this weekend, maybe the weekend after (will be watching the weather closely).

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Old 22 September 2011, 04:06   #17
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Yes, this weekend...

So a nice clear trip to work tomorrow and traffic h*ll on Saturday!
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My kids have been boating all there lives & we have always insisted on life jackets when younger, but now they use buoyancy aids mostly as we are normally in or around estuary's!
I too have used kids car seats & push chairs adapted for boating & they have worked very well, putting kids to sleep with the sound of the engine!
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When our kids were smaller the biggest issue they had with Jockey seats was that they couldn’t touch the deck because their legs were not long enough. This meant that they slid backwards and forwards and found it very uncomfortable hanging on with nothing to brace their feet against.

I produced some very simple adjustable webbing stirrups which went over the Jockey seat for them to put their feet into, and were also connected to a strap which went all the way round the base of the seat to stop the stirrups moving backwards and forwards.

This simple piece of kit made the experience so much better for them, and they started to look forward to a bit of rough sea rather than dreading it.

Having turned a RIB over a couple of times, admittedly my own fault and of course I wouldn’t be stupid with kids on board, I could never agree with strapping kids in.

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Here in the US, kids (under 12, I think) are required to wear a PFD unless they're down in the cabin (unlikely on most RIB's.) So that takes care of that part for me.

As far as dogs, mine wears a PFD anytime she's on the boat. She swims well (though I'm not sure how much she likes it - she got the same sort of surprise as Humber's dog, but it was trying to run between 2 anchored boats to play with another dog.) Problem with dogs is that they stay on the surface only as long as they can keep actively swimming; once tired, they founder and drown (and that happens sooner in cold water.) I'd rather give them more of a fighting chance, hence the doggy PFD. I used to tether her in place when I was off the boat, but have found that she'll stay put while I'm diving (apparently the dip she took taught her a lesson), so now I don't worry about it. While underway, she usually hides behind me on the pilot's bench anyway, so no need to tether her there either.

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