Keeping Anchor Warp from getting in a mess

Chris · 27 July 2009, 19:21

Any idea as to the best way to store the anchor warp to stop it getting into a mess.?

I have some thick rubber straps that I use on either end of the coil to try and avoid snarlups however this only helps a bit.

Ideally some sort of soft bag or spool ?

John Kennett · 27 July 2009, 19:45

Coiling a long warp so that it pays out reliably can be a problem, especially on the occasions when you really need it not to tangle!

I don't coil the rope, but make it into a "daisy chain" (or caver's plait, or chain sennit) which is very easy to pay out in an emergency without tangling. Pictures and instructions here.

That just gets stuffed into a canvas bag and I know that if I need to anchor in a hurry it will pay out without tangling. The downside is that it takes a while to daisy chain it all back up again, so may not be the best solution if you use the anchor often.

For frequent use then a spool might be a good option. I remember someone having a reel of flat webbing that seemed to work well and took up very little space. Not sure where you'd get such a thing though.

PeterR · 27 July 2009, 20:05

I use a spool it works for me very well.I pass a rope through the centre with a small marker bouy(just in case i drop it)tied to it which i hold this loop.Drop the anchor and chain and it all spools out

Mollers · 27 July 2009, 20:21

Decent rope is a must, I use a quality plait, nasty nylon twist won't lie neatly. As JK suggested, don't coil the rope, flake it into the locker as best you can.

GJ0KYZ · 27 July 2009, 20:26

"..don't coil the rope, flake it into the locker as best you can".

I agree - coiling just puts twists in the rope; just "layer" it into the locker as it comes.

My recent origami: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gj0kyz

Lundy Osprey · 27 July 2009, 20:37

What is the maximum length of rope you use John?

codprawn · 27 July 2009, 21:34

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Originally Posted by GJ0KYZ

"..don't coil the rope, flake it into the locker as best you can".

I agree - coiling just puts twists in the rope; just "layer" it into the locker as it comes.

My recent origami: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gj0kyz

Thats what I always do - maybe the thicker the rope the easier it is to handle???

jwalker · 27 July 2009, 21:45

Octoplait lies much better than other rope types.
If you need to coil a rope you can make each loop go in the opposite direction to prevent the twisting. It has the disadvantage of putting one loop each side of the bundle but at least it doesn't twist.

John's method is useful too if you need a rope of different lengths cos you can just put a finish wherever you need to stop the length.

Hightower · 27 July 2009, 23:44

Yeh all of the above...High quality rope and just evenly spread out across the anchor locker. Then try to weigh it down as evenly with the chain over the top of the rope at 90 dergrees (this helps it stay in one place) and then try not to disturb the rope when the anchor goes in (this is where a lot of tangles can happen with coils being pushed under each other).

I do a fair amount of fishing during the summer months and one thing that I have noticed is that if you use your anchor more frequently or repack the Anchor line from time to time, this stops the rope from compacting and this prevents the tangles.

John Kennett · 28 July 2009, 06:40

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Originally Posted by Lundy Osprey

What is the maximum length of rope you use John?

50m - it's an old climbing rope.

m chappelow · 28 July 2009, 09:13

i some times daisy chain it or sometimes just fake it down into a bucket or canvas bag ,depends on what i am going to do ,over the years i have tryed just about eveything there is from using it wrapped around a spool to wrapping it around and between large cleats each side of the bow ,best for me is the fake down into a bag .,,,,,,,pics of bag /reel ,and daisy chain /sennit or drummers knot, even when we are crab potting we just fake the ropes down in to a barrall and we never have any tangles,even when i used to long line we would just drop it into an cheap plastic water tank and they were nearly 1/4 mile long,

chewy · 28 July 2009, 12:24

Flake not fake lol.

Scousedeli · 28 July 2009, 12:53

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Originally Posted by chewy

Flake not fake lol.

I think you'll find fake is the correct term!!!

jyasaki · 28 July 2009, 15:21

I've seen both terms used interchangeably.

I flake the line into the locker as it's pulled, or alternatively (especially when diving alone) pile the line on deck, then flake it in after everything is up. Rarely have a problem with it feeding out. On the smaller boat, I used a milk crate to store the rode; the new boat has a dedicated locker.

Trying to get a coiled line to pay out evenly rarely worked for me.

jky

Mollers · 28 July 2009, 15:36

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Originally Posted by Scousedeli

I think you'll find fake is the correct term!!!

http://www.animatedknots.com/fig8flake/index.php

chewy · 28 July 2009, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scousedeli

I think you'll find fake is the correct term!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mollers

http://www.animatedknots.com/fig8flake/index.php

Thanks Mollers.

m chappelow · 28 July 2009, 17:46

i thought that faking is just stuffing it in a bag or bucket and flaking is where it is laid out proper longways ,,or to use the term flaked out if someone faints and is laid out , eg on deck of a ship , eg like cheesing a rope into a coil ,,,,, where i come from we say dinner time others call it lunch time ,,either way you still get some thing to flaking eat .lol,,,,matter of intrest anyone remember flaking boxes used to reload rocket lines after they had been fired ,it was a box with long spikes where the line was wrapped around ,then when it was all wrapped you tipped it upsidedown removed the box and the line was all perfectly flaked ,mart

Chris · 28 July 2009, 19:45

All pretty infomative however after a serious session of wave jumping whether flaked, faked wrapped or coiled its still going to be a fecking mess.

This Nylon webbing reel as mentioned by JK sounds interesting, anyone know more?

chewy · 28 July 2009, 19:48

Mart's PVC bag with the rope in works well as long as you put it in carefully. Our tow rope is in the same sort of bag and it pays out fine.

Mollers · 28 July 2009, 20:06

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Originally Posted by Chris

All pretty infomative however after a serious session of wave jumping whether flaked, faked wrapped or coiled its still going to be a fecking mess.

Something isn't right. You have the same anchor locker as I do, my anchor line always comes out as it went in.

What- Size, length and type of warp are you using?
Type and size of anchor?
Length and size of chain?