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Old 20 August 2010, 14:50   #21
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At no point does it appear that the yacht crew are doing anything about it

You're unlikely to be able to see someone yelling at them to f*** off on a surveillance camera when someone's facing the other way.
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Old 20 August 2010, 14:55   #22
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Old 20 August 2010, 15:00   #23
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Or perhaps the PWC users were intimidating thugs and the WAFIs chose to stay calm rather than be provoked? Anyway, what could they've done? Bombarded them with yellow wellies?
Indeed you might be right - but he kept scrubbing his boat (although I think by the end of the clip he is preparing to leave). That didn't seem like someone who was worried, I'm not suggesting that he should do as various other people here have suggested and get aggressive - but there appears to be no protest / arm waving / attempt to highlight the danger. I'm not suggesting the PWC users were being sensible (you'll note I called the Eijits in my first post) - I just don't think this is particularly newsworthy. "PWC user gets on sailors wick" is about as unusual as "BMW driver undertakes grandad on motorway".
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Old 20 August 2010, 15:11   #24
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Indeed you might be right - but he kept scrubbing his boat (although I think by the end of the clip he is preparing to leave). That didn't seem like someone who was worried, I'm not suggesting that he should do as various other people here have suggested and get aggressive - but there appears to be no protest / arm waving / attempt to highlight the danger. I'm not suggesting the PWC users were being sensible (you'll note I called the Eijits in my first post) - I just don't think this is particularly newsworthy. "PWC user gets on sailors wick" is about as unusual as "BMW driver undertakes grandad on motorway".
It's newsworthy when there's 40 odd complaints about it. In my experience most people are lazy and rarely complain to official bodies because they don't expect anything to be done.

For a string of complaints the problem must be pretty bad.
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On my own pontoons, an 'infant' was badly scalded as it's mum was making a hot drink when a different kind of plonker came past at similar speed!
Ah, I know where you're moored then-my father's boat was there for many years. Off topic, but was anything done about said non-jetskiing scrotes? They were becoming quite a problem there.
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Thanks. It's good to know that I'm a WAFI AND a RIPAFI (Rigid Inflatable Petrol Assisted Fkin Idiot!) And not a PWCOTA (Personal Water Closet Owning Total AHole)
I use the term WAFI with some affection having been, and occasionally still falling into the rag and stick brigade. I've never sat on a PWC, but if this is your attitude its probably just as well you've stopped instructing - it must be difficult for your students to have any respect for you when you're looking down your nose at them. I can see it would take a special balance between being able to share the enthusiasm for the "fun" and "excitement" and "cabability" of PWC and constructively convey the safety requirements at the same time. Perhaps the RYA need to look at that rather than making it relatively easy for any pious PB instructor to start training in this area?

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1- The person trying to scrub their waterline looks pretty perturbed to me!
my screen is small but he seems to keep scrubbing...
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When 'in port' you have an expectation that there will be minimal wash. When 'in port' in a gale, you expect something a bit more interesting! If moored near major shipping channels, you know what to expect! Have you been below when this sort of thing happens? On my own pontoons, an 'infant' was badly scalded as it's mum was making a hot drink when a different kind of plonker came past at similar speed!
you might argue that a sustained attack like this (once started) is no more dangerous than a rib passing close at speed - you're unlikely to start making tea in the middle of it.
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All too often, said 'owners' want to do their 'competency course' because it's a requirement to use/launch their craft and NOT to learn anything of value beyond that.
I wasn't aware of mandatory training, perhaps its interlinked with insurance. Your challenge as an instructor is clearly to convince them otherwise - I can see that's probably not what you "signed up for" though.
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3- Stereotypes. I know what they are, but I don't understand your point?
on the one hand you say all PWC users "largely beyond help". Then you suggest that "most are responsible owners"

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4- Rule 5 and 6.
Rule 5 - Keep a lookout: given the way they were driving I'd assume they were keeping a very good lookout. Or do you think they were unaware the yacht/pontoon was there
Rule 6- Safe speed: ...proceed at a safe speed at which she can to take action to avoid collision and be able to stop within a distance suitable to the prevailing conditions, which include the visibility; traffic density; her manoeuvrability (e.g. stopping distance and turning ability); ...

Clearly they didn't colide with anything and nobody else had to take avoiding action - so you might argue that due to their incredible manoeuverability and quick stopping distance they weren't actually behaving as bad as you suggest.

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5- Yes, it might have been staged. If you didn't think it looked 'that bad', try it yourself.
by which I mean I've seen worse at two separate locations, and so this seemed like fairly ordinary stupidity rather than exceptional (newsworthy) stupidity.
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I hate arguments like this.

It certainly looks like the people on the PWC's were acting like idiots, but it doesn't mean EVERYONE that has a PWC acts in the same way.

I have seen a good many people act stupidly in Ribs, Yachts, motor cruisers... just about every type of boat. But it's THEM that are in control of their stupidity, nothing to do with the craft they are in.
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Very true, well said. Any inanimate object is safe until the human gets involved.
Once again, the few tarnishing the many (cars, guns, PWC, RIB's, .... )
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The area is under Essex Marine Police jurisdiction, if the incident has been reported to them they will be do their best to find the pwc users.

The ski being ridden by the prat is a black/gold Yamaha gpr1300, the other looks like a Seadoo RXP.
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Whilst 'PWCOTA' is not a term of affection, I have, as doubtless you can imagine, met and trained a number of RPWCOP's in the (distant) past. But as you say, it's a good job I stopped training in this area before my professionalism was compromised.
Sorry that you think I'm pious, but we all have our own personal standards. The RYA understands my 'Piousness' and knows that Looking 'down ones nose' is. Life is too short to invest your time and effort in what your experience has lead you to believe is a lost cause. I have an open mind and maybe a 'higher being' will show me the light in times to come? Do you KNOW how 'easy' the RYA makes it for a Pious PB instructor to deliver PWC a Competency course?

1-Apart from when he goes ashore or a break!

-You don't START making tea when the prats are around. Experience will tell you that they have a knack of turning up just as you are pouring!

-You are right. Often linked to insurance also. Training is not mandatory unless your Harbour Authority (insurance Co.) makes it so!

-Yes (and I guess we all have) seen worse. How 'stupid' does 'stupid' have to be before another PWOTCA is killed or loses a leg?

-Typo I'm afraid. Delete the word 'are'.

-Rule 5/6. My point precisely. Despite seemingly being acutely aware of the other vessel, they persisted in flouting rule 6. See your 'bolting smiley'!
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