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Old 04 January 2013, 15:13   #71
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Isn't it time a 'compulsory towing' act was introduced for morons like these?
I *think* that actually the secretary of state's representative has the power to direct any vessel to take a tow? Although such powers are obviously only used when considered absolutely necessary.

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meh, leave em out there, darwin will win in the end
darwin only works if you remove people from the gene pool before they breed, otherwise its too late and evolution will not work.

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You make a very good point-as does Erin. What annoys me is that these clowns tied up sevices for 2 hours that may have been needed elsewhere.
but had they been in need elsewehere the CG could have released them to deal with the other incident. they might be further from the 2nd job - or they might be closer, or the fact they are already crewed and afloat might save time...

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I think that the CG is at fault here. The guys in the boat did not call for help, yes they were inadequately prepared for the conditions etc but they were feeling ok and in control. Many others I have seen were in worse condition in charge of a boat
It was the CG who, after getting the RNLI to check on the guys, tasked one boat to stay with them. Should have told both boats to go home and have their tea!
but presumably the coxswain has the ability to suggest to the cg that their presence is not required, that all is well, or even to call his launch authority and suggest he'd like to go and get his tea...

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I feel the RNLI bean counters are devaluing the often heroic and life saving work the crews do by claiming non incidents like this as casualties and no doubt 'lives saved' in the end of year statistics.
The RNLI seem to be aware of that criticism and separate lives saved from person assisted. Of course the media may then misuse those stats when they report the data.

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it's the assumption that jet skis must only be used in sheltered waters and that anyone who wants to take one offshore must be mental or reckless
I'd expect some similar raised eyebrows if I told them I was taking my little boat over the Irish sea to visit Willk (and they haven't even met him!) - a journey I occasionally think might be fun, and on paper would be ok on a good day - but if I was planning a major trip alone in such an 'unsuitable craft' I'd probably call them in advance so they knew I was nuts, but suitably equipped!
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Old 04 January 2013, 15:22   #72
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You make a very good point-as does Erin. What annoys me is that these clowns tied up sevices for 2 hours that may have been needed elsewhere. I guess there's no way round it though apart from letting evolution do it's work.
Indeed, but they didn't call them out. Somebody else did. And even then they didn't want recovering.
So maybe this touches another thread here about "hoax" or misinformed requests for help by third parties.
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The officer posted his idea on Twatter - says it all
"Twatter" - that made me laugh; I must use that more in conversation. You don't mind if I pass it off as one of my own do you?
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Think i would book this one down as a (False alarm with good intent) rather than a hoax call that is as long as the caller thought were in genuine difficulty & not just an excuse for stirring a bit of bother or excitement .
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Think i would book this one down as a (False alarm with good intent) rather than a hoax call that is as long as the caller thought were in genuine difficulty & not just an excuse for stirring a bit of bother or excitement .
"False Alarm".......that's the (two) word(s). Totally agree.
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what its really all about ,proper shout ,no hoax call or false alarm with good intent with this one,,, new years eve.
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Just to help,

Compulsory towing is false imprisonment if refused and/or in no apparent danger to oneself or others regardless and not committing any crime or intending to commit any crime which would lead to arrest or death of any person on board or as a result of the actions of those on board the vessel being targeted as being boarded to specifically prevent those on board carrying out any aforementioned activity.


ie.,

you can't just go up to a manned bobbing boat and decide to tow it somewhere.
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I think that the CG is at fault here
ah yes the CG is always at fault. He is alerted with a false alarm to a small boat. Stand the boats down and an unrelated event tips the guys in the water, he is pilloried in the press for sending the boats home and has at least a very uncomfortable time at an inquest. . On the other hand keep a boat on standby and the guys dont end up in the water and its all his fault again! The guy in the ops room has really gotta cover his back.
Many of us on here could be described as Morons by the man in the street using this thread as a datum point cos we use small boats in conditions that are not always, errm, flat calm. These guys used their boat in fair conditions, did not call, or indeed need to call, the emergency services and would have caused no bother to anyone, but ended up being harrassed by two lifeboats and then the rnli released the pictures to the press. They must be mightily p***d off.
aah yes and they got called morons by a guy on here, a day out to remember indeed.
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wavelength, how utterly correct in all respects.
Including the one where CG is at fault..........somebody has to be at fault. Unfortunate situation.........same as the MOD not going to the aid of a country in need because it hasn't called for help and then being accused of doing bugger all when it all kicks off.
etc., etc., at least the CG is an authority that considers these situations and choses the best path, ultimately right or wrong, but it's considered and done so by relevant and accountable people. Not hicks that shoot from the hip after a week on weed and whiskey.
The RNLI should not have posted their pictures. But should have gone to investigate the call. Lesson learned.
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