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Old 02 January 2013, 06:07   #31
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I think that the CG is at fault here. The guys in the boat did not call for help, yes they were inadequately prepared for the conditions etc but they were feeling ok and in control. Many others I have seen were in worse condition in charge of a boat
It was the CG who, after getting the RNLI to check on the guys, tasked one boat to stay with them. Should have told both boats to go home and have their tea!

If necessary then they could be re-tasked if the guys got into diffs later. It was the guy's choice not to take the advice and if something happened before the RNLI got back to them well that is their fault.

I don't think it was fair or necessary to keep the RNLI boat on station - of course I do mention I am not in FULL knowledge of all facts.
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Old 02 January 2013, 06:25   #32
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Could it also be that the rescue team spent two enjoyable hours on the water hanging out?
In the conditions portrayed that would have been foolish, good job they didn't need rescuing

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Old 02 January 2013, 07:01   #33
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i was in weston on the 29th and not in the sib either ,the weather was appalling 4 men 2 life jackets ffs it`s a joke really ....if they had vhf at least they could have notified the cg all was ok...they were ok this time but if that engine had cut out this would be an entirely different thread
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Old 02 January 2013, 07:20   #34
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There's only one person to sort of blame for this, and thats the person who reported the situation.
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As a Lifeboat Sea Safety Officer with the RNLI I would strongly urge everyone to make the "call" if you have even the slighest concern over the safety of a person or boat. Time can literally make the difference and you all know the rest. The RNLI will always rather be called out to a "false alarm" rather than too late for a real emergency.

Do not worry in the slightest about ringing 999 or making a Mayday/Pan Pan - talk to the Coastguards and let them do the "worrying".
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Old 02 January 2013, 08:13   #35
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Agree completely with the above. If its not an emergency situation, its still better the RNLI/coastguard discover it.

Just out of interest how many people send a Tango Romeo when heading out?? I have very rarely heard one over the net....
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As a Lifeboat Sea Safety Officer with the RNLI I would strongly urge everyone to make the "call" if you have even the slighest concern over the safety of a person or boat. Time can literally make the difference and you all know the rest. The RNLI will always rather be called out to a "false alarm" rather than too late for a real emergency.

Do not worry in the slightest about ringing 999 or making a Mayday/Pan Pan - talk to the Coastguards and let them do the "worrying".
And thats why I put "sort of", and "you can't blame".
Regardless of there stupidity not having lifejackets vhf etc, they made it back. so what made the caller think that those sibbers where in need of rescue anyway, maybe the caller should have observed the situation a bit longer and thought (well do those sibbers look in destress) umm! obviously not in this case. However as a retired aux lifeboat helmsman myself who has attended many situations, I do agree with you, If in doubt call em out. But at least observe the situation and make sure emergency services are needed before calling.
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As a way of educating them to prevent future call-outs where lives may be lost. Much like our so called fines for speeding

I just think if your going to do something its better that then playing god with who gets rescued, based on how stupid they've been

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Problem with "fining" people for calling out the emergency services is that they will delay calling out the cavalry until it's too late. Aren't we always being told by both the Coastguard & RNLI that they'd prefer a false/un necessary call rather than no call. If in doubt, call 'em out.
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Just out of interest how many people send a Tango Romeo when heading out?? I have very rarely heard one over the net....
Good point - Personally I don't for a routine trip but I always file one before making a "passage".

However in all cases, even going out in my canoe, I always give a person on shore my passage plan and ETA.
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We were out diving last winter and someone (on land) called out a "rescue" for us. By the time the local police arrived in their fancy 28ft RIB we had actually moved to our second dive site. We were obviously ok so they just asked us if we needed any assistance and when we said we were fine they zoomed back to their dock. No biggie. I'm pretty sure they would have returned if we'd had some new issue.

Making the RNLI wait out there with these 2 fellows seems a bit paranoid. And the conditions in the picture look downright placid.
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Well it looks like a typical non story created by lazy journalism.

The actual events are recorded on the RNLI website here :

Weston super Mare RNLI Lifeboat - Shouts 2012

At09:56 LOM was paged by Swansea coastguard to say that there was a small rubber dingy drifting off Clevedon LOM authorised launch and crew were paged at 09:58 and assembled at the station, while the lifeboat was being launched the coastguard paged a standown at 10:06 B769 was rehoused and made ready for service at 10:30.
Laterin the day LOM was advised that the same boat was seen off Birnbeck Island apparently broken down. On our arrival at station the boat was seen to start up and make its way towards Swallow Rocks, Weston No. 2 launched and proceeded to Swallow Rocks followed by Weston No.1. After consultation with Swansea Coastguard and the LOM it was decided that Weston No.1 would escort the casualty up to Clevedon subject to the occupants agreeing, this was agreed and at 15:15hrs Weston No 1 began the escort of the vessel to Clevedon, the casualty vessel along with Weston Lifeboat No 1 arrived at Clevedon at 15-30hrs, Swansea Coastguard then requested that Weston No1 stand off and maintain a watch until enough water is available to recover vessel to shore. At 16:50 Weston No.1 handed the vessel overto Clevedon Coastguard and proceeded back to Weston arriving at the slipway at 17:20hrs.and was refuelled and made ready for service at 17:45 hrs.

But I still object to the terminology in the writing, how can the RNLI cliam the boat is a casualty when clearly, it wasn't.

I feel the RNLI bean counters are devaluing the often heroic and life saving work the crews do by claiming non incidents like this as casualties and no doubt 'lives saved' in the end of year statistics.

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