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Old 05 July 2007, 06:58   #1
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Is this a goer do you think?

Right I can get hold of this brand new inflatable boat for a very cheap sum - I am thinking of buying, then butchering for the tubes and putting on my 4metre searider- any thoughts so far?

The new tubes on the boat are heavy duty PVC or hypalon (waiting for confirmation) on this
TUBE DIAMETER 50 CMS
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4 compartments

OVERALL DIMS: 400 X 200 CMS
STOWED DIMS: 140 X 80 X 40 CMS


My old shafted hypalon tubes are 17" (43cm) in diameter - 3 compartments

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Old 05 July 2007, 07:33   #2
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I have a feeling that this is one of those you'll know when you try situations why not ask Paul Tilley?

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Old 05 July 2007, 08:20   #3
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i would not try it and i have put one or two tubes on before !!! the inflatable is obviously cheap because it is made from pvc ,bad starting point . are the inflatable tubes the same shape as your avon or just look similar .if you do try it please post photos ,if it works do you want a job !!
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Old 05 July 2007, 09:02   #4
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Come on Paul you know NOTHING!!! That job would be so simple. All you have to do is put the Avon on top and use a few ratchet straps!!!
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Old 05 July 2007, 09:25   #5
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The floor

If you do do it and want to dispose of the flooring, I'll take it off your hands. It might fit my Zodiac SIB which has an inflatable floor that could do with a bit more rigidity sometimes - especially for fishing.
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Old 05 July 2007, 11:15   #6
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i would not try it and i have put one or two tubes on before !!! the inflatable is obviously cheap because it is made from pvc ,bad starting point . are the inflatable tubes the same shape as your avon or just look similar .if you do try it please post photos ,if it works do you want a job !!
if they are made the same as there 3.3 metre inflatable boat in terms material what then paul?
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Old 05 July 2007, 12:10   #7
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Olly stop sniffing the glue!
If you are going to fit these cheep sib tubes have you priced up some hypalon with you fitting?
I would have thought fitting hypalon tubes would increase the value & fitting ex sib tubes will make it a dogs dinner!
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Old 05 July 2007, 12:22   #8
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I see where you coming from, qoutes are coming in around 1800 on average - these are still new tubes and are the same length (4m), i just want a boat i can bloody well use for a bit, sell it all working and get something larger
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I see where you coming from, qoutes are coming in around 1800 on average - these are still new tubes and are the same length (4m), i just want a boat i can bloody well use for a bit, sell it all working and get something larger
Then if you are thinking of selling it I would say stick with hyoalon it will be much more salable in the end & for more money!
& you know they will fit & look right! If you chop up a sib & stick the tubes on & it all goes pair shape you will have nothing left for you money & hard work!
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Depends upon the price you're paying for the SIB, might well be worth the risk if major savings are to be made. As for resale after the job, if it looks good after the fit, and you wanted to sell it, I wouldn't adverise it as PVC, if she looks good then I doubt that anyone other that purists would notice it being anything other than Hypalon.

Would be nice to see you back on the water and give you some gluing experience to boot.

Go for it!
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I'd split your boat,engine and trailer and sell them. Add the money you've got towards a retube. You'll get a working boat for that.
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but no engine or trailer?
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I'd split your boat,engine and trailer and sell them. Add the money you've got towards a retube. You'll get a working boat for that.

If he did that to his Searider he wouldn't have any RIB to put tubes on.
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Sorry, that wasn't very clear.I'm assuming Olly's still got the 1k he was talking about using to retube the Searider. If he adds the money from selling the boat, engine and trailer seperately to that 1k should see enough cash all told for another boat.

Or am I wrong here?
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Sorry, that wasn't very clear.I'm assuming Olly's still got the 1k he was talking about using to retube the Searider. If he adds the money from selling the boat, engine and trailer seperately to that 1k should see enough cash all told for another boat.

Or am I wrong here?
OK, now I get it, did not realise about the 1k either.
Trailer 400? no idea what it's like though.
Outboard, 1000?
Boat in I guess not so good nick, maybe 500?

So, 2900 all in maybe?
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or for a grand, he could keep the engine and put on my first 5.4, sell the old boat and trailer and use that to buy a trailer for my 5.4.
It comes ready to go almost, with just a bit of work needed. complete with jockey console, internal 60l tank, a-frame and lights, and dive rack converted to jockey seat

no retube needed if don't mind painted tubes!
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Depends upon the price you're paying for the SIB, might well be worth the risk if major savings are to be made. As for resale after the job, if it looks good after the fit, and you wanted to sell it, I wouldn't adverise it as PVC, if she looks good then I doubt that anyone other that purists would notice it being anything other than Hypalon.

Would be nice to see you back on the water and give you some gluing experience to boot.

Go for it!
Bodge it and sell it

I do hope that hasn't happened to anything you've paid for on Blue Venom

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Bodge it and sell it

I do hope that hasn't happened to anything you've paid for on Blue Venom

Do unto others etc

I know you you take the mickey with that statement, but having PVC tubes on a Searider isn't bodging a job if it's done correctly, and as I understand it Olly wants to get out on the water again and has a strict budget, not sell it on. There are some well known brands of RIBs out there with PVC tubes on.

With my Blue Venom Project my approach is the same. Why pay inflated prices when there are some equally good if not better products out there at a fraction of the cost. With my steering I saved 300 by just doing that and its a proper Sea Star Unit too with an over size custom picked helm pump.

The outboard is a LH rotation Evenrude DI (Ficht), bound to affect resale if someone knows the past history of these engines and notices that it's a LH rotation. But I won't be telling them that (unless asked) when it's sold eventually. Why should I? If it's in good working order and there are no issues with it, it performs correctly on the boat and I've got a checkable service history, I can sleep well at night. I bought it because basicly it's a brand new outboard and the right price and got over a years worth or warranty.

Do you see where I'm comming from?
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Evinrude DI Ficht

Andy,

I have not heard bad things about these engines when you talk about past history what do you mean?

I am on the look out for a more powerful engine and a ficht is on the top of my shopping list.

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Andy,

I have not heard bad things about these engines when you talk about past history what do you mean?

I am on the look out for a more powerful engine and a ficht is on the top of my shopping list.

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Hi Chris, don't worry too much unless you are looking at a motor post BRP when the Evinrude name was owned by OMC. The problems are well documented on the older Ficht and a search on this or other forums will keep you reading for a long time.

When BRP took over they reveiwed Ficht models and made some significant changes to design and quality aspects. With respect to these changes they developed the older Ficht's into a more reliable package, and I think changed the name to Fitcht Ram, however with such a bad reputation still hanging over a new improved engine it was difficult to market the engine with the name Ficht in it, so changed the name to Direct Injection.

I think you can purchase these DI outboards with confidence as the more modern E-Tech was based on this technology. Certainly no more trouble than any other outboard manufacturer out there.

I've bought a 150 DI it was manufactured in 2005 and came with a 3 year warranty, there is still 14 mnths of this left.
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