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Old 04 September 2019, 16:19   #71
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will a yanmar sterndrive last long enough to burn 12 drums of diesel
Seeing as Craig has a yamaha I doubt he knows or cares about a yanmar drive!
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Old 05 September 2019, 02:10   #72
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Seems all valid reasons to me, why don't you tell that to HMRC?
If Craig did, then I think that would back fire spectacularly.

If I was a Civil Servant in HMRC I would look a the figures and and surmise that the "commercial" price doesn't included the propulsion tax that is supposed to be applied, whilst the marina 60/40 price does. Therefore tax avoidance and a good reason to press ahead with change.

The argument for retaining red needs to be centered around availability and the risk to the environment with people filling boats by other methods rather than at a controlled fuel point (marina or commercial tanker).
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Old 05 September 2019, 03:49   #73
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If Craig did, then I think that would back fire spectacularly.

If I was a Civil Servant in HMRC I would look a the figures and and surmise that the "commercial" price doesn't included the propulsion tax that is supposed to be applied, whilst the marina 60/40 price does. Therefore tax avoidance and a good reason to press ahead with change.

The argument for retaining red needs to be centered around availability and the risk to the environment with people filling boats by other methods rather than at a controlled fuel point (marina or commercial tanker).
I think you missed the bit I quoted, Pete.
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Old 05 September 2019, 06:39   #74
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Think I'll run it on hydraulic oil from now on...

that's a joke btw.
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Old 05 September 2019, 07:27   #75
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Think I'll run it on hydraulic oil from now on...

that's a joke btw.
Hehe, not such a bad idea....years ago I bought an old JCB and a pal who has a garage said he had a 45gal drum of white diesel I could have. I took it and the JCB did a lot of hard work, finally the diesel ran out and I bought pump diesel, well, that JCB seemed seriously down on power. After a bit of investigation it turned out that the drum of diesel was actually hydraulic oil...I had always wondered why it was a kinda blueish colour when it poured.
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Old 05 September 2019, 07:54   #76
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In the grand scheme of things is paying the duty on the fuel realy going to stop folk using their boats
We probably use 2k worth of diesel per year in a boat that does 1.5mpg so fuel cost for us may double. So fuel costs 4k per year running white, its still only a relatively small proportion of the overall running cost of a reasonable sized boat(37ft)
5k for marina fees
2k for servicing
300 insurance
6 -700 Antifoul and polish
5k+ pa depreciation maybe more
500 Replacing time expired & worn out gear
Plus other stuff I've probably forgotten about
So the boat probably costs to stand still close on 15k.
Is an extra 2k in fuel realy going to stop me using the boat?
I think most owners will be of the opinion yes it hurts but boat ownership isn't cheap and never will be.
The biggest problem I can see is the possible none availability in certain areas. Its already a problem for petrol boats in large parts of the uk. Hopefully they find a solution that is workable
I do my own maintenance so personal costs are lower but probably representative of typical costs
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Plus other stuff I've probably forgotten about
For sure!
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