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Old 20 October 2008, 04:49   #51
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Hope you all had a good weekend!

When I said a balanced arguement I meant from my point of view i.e. I'm looking to see pros and cons of sharing vs buying. I understand that I'm asking mostly RIB owners so it's not going to be balanced. I wasn't being literal though so apologies.

I just want to say I think you have all been very help ful and here's a summary of what you've all said:

OWNING:

- The boat use is flexible and can be used wherever (seems to be most important).
- Like a mortgage rather than a rented house i.e. you own it.
- Fun to tinker with.. it's yours.
- Don't have to worry about petrol heads driving the boat like morons.
- Use it when you like.

SHARING:

- Convienient service - turn key solution.
- Lower cost alternative to dry stack / marina berths
- Managed solution so it's clean and tidy (or should be)
- Insurance / training etc is included
- Limited to set locations but some offer trailer option to other destinations (lynx)

So all in all I see that it is a fairly balanced arguement for and against and at the end of the day it will come down to choice but I must say convienience is probably the most important factor to me and to be able to turn up 3-4 times per month (unlikely to do more than that) and go is swaying my thinking towards sharing (or confirming my thinking ; P ) via a professional, reliable and proven management team be it RIB Shack, RIBshare or Lynx. I guess I have the cold winter months to make my choice and go shopping for all the gear (with some idea).

Let me know if I've missed anything!

Many thanks,


Sarah
Let me know if I've missed anything!
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Old 20 October 2008, 05:38   #52
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I agree with Tony, luvvin' one's boat is a big part of it, but that could be a bloke thing.
Sarah, are you restricted to certain areas of use with a scheme, or would you be permitted to trailer elsewhere in the country?

As an example, friends of ours trailer their boats to Cornwall and we cruise en mass to the Scillies which is fantastic. Would you, on a shared scheme, be able to do this? (photo required).
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Old 20 October 2008, 08:03   #53
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Just going to add my little bit now I am sporting a trade membership.

So far the thread has been talking about boat share v ownership but not much about hire or charter. Offering the same perks as ownership but no money up front, no contract holding you in and yes you can take it on the trailer to where ever you like so long as you bring it back. We also offer Scorpons to rent which are very highly regarded in the rib world for there build quality and sea keeping.

I am not the only person offering this service so shop around look at what is going to suit you best. Make sure you get out on the boats first, they may look nice and shinny on the outside but on the water may not met expectations. ( At Rib-it we hope we do )

Hope to speak soon.

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Old 20 October 2008, 11:47   #54
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OK, time for my 2p's worth..... (literally! )

I estimate by the time I have finished, I'll have spent around 2500 - 3k on the hardware. Including a new braked trialer. (without the trailer I'd be looking at about 1800 mark) If all goes to plan, that will keep me going until the engine dies.

The catch? Any of the McRibbers who have sen my floating museum will verify it's not the most asthetic inflatable on the Clyde, and it certianly isn't the quietest or most fuel efficient engine. (But I expect nothing less from a 2 cyl 50 designed before the 1970s fuel crisis!). As I enjoy restoring stuff like this, It doesn't bother me, and it will eventually reincarnate itself as a far shinier boat. (New "toob / hull restoration" thread imminent). Engine will be upgraded / replaced as & when I find something more appropriate.

As for the weather thing, that's why I bought a rib!

Final thought on the matter: Hire car driver.
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Old 20 October 2008, 12:48   #55
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I agree with Tony, luvvin' one's boat is a big part of it, but that could be a bloke thing.
Sarah, are you restricted to certain areas of use with a scheme, or would you be permitted to trailer elsewhere in the country?

As an example, friends of ours trailer their boats to Cornwall and we cruise en mass to the Scillies which is fantastic. Would you, on a shared scheme, be able to do this? (photo required).
Not sure about all schemes but ours (RibShack) certainly allows you the flexibility to trail the boat to where you want and also offer a delivery & collect service. We took advantage of it this year and spent 10 days down in Cornwall (on Fal out of Mylor). I anticipate doing similar next year.

I understand one owner took a trailed a boat down to south of France last yr for 3 weeks
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Old 20 October 2008, 13:34   #56
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We took advantage of it this year and spent 10 days down in Cornwall (on Fal out of Mylor). I anticipate doing similar next year.
Let me know when you're down next year. I'll go away for 10 days.

Joking, We could hook-up for a run or two.
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.. I'll go away for 10 days.....
What, leave Cornwall?
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Old 20 October 2008, 16:51   #58
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What, leave Cornwall?
Nooo,no,no, no. I was thinking more Fowey.
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Hi Sarah

Yes I think it is one sided. However I think it could work for you as clearly some people find it a suitable arrangement. Just to put some of the costs in perspective, I have a small 5mtr Tornado rib that I bought new in 98 with a 2 stroke 60hp engine, it costs 130 for insurance, I recently ordered all the parts to do a complete service of the engine from Key Part in Watford for 72 inc p&p. I guess once in a while a buy some new wheel bearings, I think flares every three years 30/40 and I have just ordered a new Fix VHF (120) The last one only lasted 15yrs! Really it does not cost alot of money at all when you think about it, I keep it at home in the garage, which it just fits in. The trailer is an unbraked one, as the complete rig is well under 750kgs and it can be towed behind a normal car. Clearly you need to buy the boat in the first place and even small ones cost a reasonable amount of money particularly new. The added advantage of a small boat is that they are more easily coped with by one person, on a decent slip I can launch and recover single handed. Yes I do all the work myself ( usually in my double garage) but I enjoy it and get great personal statisfaction in the process. I did once share a boat with a member of my family and that certainly didn't work out.

If you do buy into this share scheme it would be great to hear how it all goes.

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Thanks everyone,

Wow, it's very one sided. It seems that people don't really like or perhaps understand the sharing (maybe I can get some marketing/PR work from them). From what I can see, RIB Shack offer a fixed monthly fee where at the end of the agreement the boat is sold and a fraction of the sale price is divided between the members whereas RIBshare costs 495 PM for 6 days use per month (with a bigger RIB) and they offer more of a leasing agreement where the operation is effectively the same but it's not an ownership operation, the share implies that you are sharing the RIB not owning it so that could remove some of the falling out issues? More like a fast car club.. What do you think? RIBshare also offer a replacement RIB service so if there are problems you get a different RIB and their boats are on pontoons so it's as they call it an 'arrive and drive' service. Keeping a RIB on my drive and having to launch it, trailor it etc is one of the put-offs of owning one. Being able to turn up and drive then leave everything else to the experts sounds brilliant. Also as Polwart lists the 'other' costs of owning a RIB they seem to pile up and with all this in mind the fixed fee deal is a good idea... isn't it? If it's 495 per month that's 82.50 per day less fuel.. That's a cheap family day out! Isn't it?

I'm still not sure... more help needed ; )

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Nooo,no,no, no. I was thinking more Fowey.
Used to be such a nice place but we we're put off by the camp site yobs and there all night parties
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