Originally Posted by codprawn
As to the lack of boat designers could it be that there isn't much left to do to a normal monohull - lets face it they haven't changed much in how long? Steps were invented back in the 1930s or even earlier.
Despite what people think there isn't much truly new out there - and I am quite sure there's probably some old boy from the 1930s moaning about HIS designs being splashed!!!
If people didn't copy other people's designs all the time then a Princess would look nothing like a Fairline or an Azimut or a Sunseeker etc - there's hardly anything different about them these days. It used to be flybridges - now it's hardtops - and yes they doo all look pretty much the same!!!
Just because most boats are pointed at one end, and quite blunt at the other, doesn't mean they're all the same.
Agreed, little in terms of design 'ideas' are new, if any. However, the need for a designer is still there as strong as ever. Even given the little there is in differing concepts these days, there's still a good dribble of genuinly new models out there, and a popular current racing class is as good a example as you could get that not all 'been done before' design concepts work!
Whether the criteria is for speed, stability, or foul weather ability, a bloke who truely understands hull design is needed to bring all the known factors together into a package that works. there are loads of 'average performing' boats out there, but most that excel in their intended bracket, were'nt designed by 'have a go' designer/builder, they came from a drawing board belonging to a real designer.
Originally Posted by Gordon McMath
I asked Mike Sloggett yesterday about Revengers beginnings,he asked DSD to design him a hull in approx 1978/9 & he PAID for the design,why would DSD hand over drawings for a design that had not been paid for ? & even if he did, then why did DSD not take action against Sloggett ? Sloggett could not have known that the design he would use two years later would be flawed,the original boat did not turn very well & so he asked DSD for help & if he would be prepared to change the original design,no help was given.The original mould was then cut up.As was the second mould because Tony Needel deemed it to be far to flimsy.Lorne Campbell was asked to redesign the hull,i am told that the reverse chine was added & that the chine was widened,also the beam at the stern was also increased.I also asked Phil Morris if he thought that Mike could be lying,his opinion is that if Sloggett said that he paid for it then he did,& I believe him.
I will talk to my source later, but I have to say, he's rather well connected and I can't imagine this is fiction.
Maybe there was an initial design payment, followed by royalties payments, and it was the royalties that were not paid (or re-negotiated)
Lorne clearly did work on the design, but it's still unmistakebly a Shead. I even seem to remember the original advertising using the DSD logo.
As I said, I'll try to find out later about the details.