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Old 08 February 2010, 17:54   #21
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Go on Stephen get a Vipermax - I'm sure Jono G could source you a good nearly new one - in all likelihood a new boat/ motor warrantee won't be of much use to you! The 5.8 is more than enough for a small crew and it is just a fantastic sea boat.
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Old 08 February 2010, 18:37   #22
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I'd like a Vmax if cost was no object but like most folks I don't have a bottomless wallet

I sent Jono an email when I first started this thread, no reply as yet! A couple of the aforementioned second hand ones are still on the possible list but I am a bit of a fair weather ribber I suppose.

The merits of new versus used are something I have been pondering. As you correctly suggest, most RIB warranties are "back to base" with some like XS saying that they will absolutely not pay for third party labour costs - so that's as much use as a chocolate fireguard (but at least they are honest about it). So a nearly new option which has had any bugs ironed out might be a good idea, but I suppose I have an inherent pessimism about buying anything used that I've not had the chance to poke around, regardless of what it is, probably a by product of dealing in vehicles for a living I guess - no offence meant to the folks who have sent me info so far.

The other reason I quite like the idea of another Destroyer is that I don't know how I would get on launching and recovering single handed in our (windy) conditions with a roller trailer - I have been thinking about this and think it could be very hard but I've no experience of roller trailers beyond seeing that it takes six military divers longer to recover their rib onto a roller trailer than it does me to recover mine solo.

With the big old trailer I have at the moment, full length keel support and two bloody great big bunks, I chuck it in deep water, wallop the boat on with a bit of speed (2-3 knots I guess) so it runs up far enough to be secure and then climb out over the drawbar and sort out the winching side of things safe in the knowledge that the boat won't go anywhere even if it's quite breezy. I can't really see how I could do that with a roller trailer (it would probably bend the trailer, and even if it didn't the boat might roll off again!).

Apart from the Destroyer most of the others have several hull chines, which wouldn't lend themselves to the design of bunk trailer that works well with the Destroyer as I suspect you'd end up busting the chines on the trailer bunks - it doesn't always land square if you've got a strong crosswind. I'm a bit blind here as to how much of a problem it would be - but I think the Destroyer is better suited to it than the others and easy launch and recovery solo is definitely part of the requirement.
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Old 08 February 2010, 19:35   #23
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I run my Destroyer onto roller trailer sometimes solo. Just line it up and run it up with the engine raised slightly.
I then leave the engine slowly running at a fast idle and go clip on the winch strap. Go back and stop engine, job done.
I don't do this often but its not difficult or needs a lot of practice, just a bit of lining up to begin with. The rollers are self aligning and straighten up the boat on the trailer as it goes on.
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Old 09 February 2010, 01:40   #24
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Understand where you are coming from checking out a used one - although there are always around that. (a trusted delegate with a web cam?)

Re the trailer, the roller trailer in a cross wind and chop is a bit intimidating, but you can fit guides to the trailer and mechanisms to catch the bow ring on the trailer to make it easy, and the rollers are self adjusting

I agree with BruceB, it's fine with a bit of practice and confidence.
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Old 09 February 2010, 03:37   #25
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What about on a rocky beach where if you give it too much oomph you will start sucking rock through the prop? That's already something I have to be careful of (bent prop under the bench in the garage from the early days...!) and I assume there will be less water at the stern with a roller trailer because it's lower? If you trim the engine to a normal cruising position, how much clearance is there between the skeg and the ground, parked on a flat road?
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Old 09 February 2010, 07:24   #26
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Don't know about the rocky beach, someone else needs to talk on that one.

I'm used to sand or some kind of green grey slime - both of which I avoid at recovery by trimming the motor up so the prop is just below the water. Steering isn't exactly precise, but good enough and there is enough oomph to get the boat up the trailer.

Hauling out, the motor skeg is well clear (axle height or higher) and when the trailer is hitched on the car, the skeg will just touch the ground just before it is fully trimmed down.

I don't cruise much on the trailer, so don't actually know what the clearance is
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....yes but you may find its cheaper to buy a new one
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Old 09 February 2010, 13:16   #28
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Stephen, A well set up roller trailer is a doddle to use on your own. I generally launch my VMax on my own and have beach launched as well as slip launched.

If I were always launching on really shallow beaches then I would set the rollers to a much higher setting.
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Old 09 February 2010, 18:58   #29
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A situation has appeared whereby I might be able to sell my RIB for a decent price, I hadn't been planning to so I hadn't really thought about replacements but I need to think about it fairly quickly to make a decision on whether it is worthwhile or not.

So, what should I have on the shortlist? I have a Destroyer at the moment and am generally happy with the size vs performance as I can launch and recover it single handed which is essential. Looking 5.5m to 6.0m size, more likely the lower end to keep the price and running costs down.

Shortlist at the moment consists of Destroyer/Ocean Pro, Vipermax and maybe XS, anything else that is worth looking at? Good value is essential (if it is too expensive I couldn't do it so while I'd love a Redbay with twins, or that Parker 630 with a cabin on, reality is I probably can't afford it unless they cost a lot less than I think).

Suggestions please
You say you would like a Redbay But it is too much! Well as the UK importer I can supply you a new Redbay Stormforce 6.1m fitted with a Suzuki 140hp on a trailer for 29,400 inc vat. How does that sound? With a quick order we could probably push that through in 10-12 weeks and built to your specification.
Let me know. Ed MRL www.mrl-uk.com
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....yes but you may find its cheaper to buy a new one
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