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Old 28 September 2007, 14:22   #61
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Seriously though, I think the problem with people and lifejackets is that they simply don't understand that if they go in fully clothed at speed they have very little chance without one-and unless they get into that situation they won't ever understand it. By then it's a bit too late.
I once went into the water with a pair of tracksuit, tshirt and a jumper on, oh and runners too. I didnt last long threading the water before I had to reach out for the ladder.

I can swim 1 mile no problem (I do every 2-3 weeks - not setting any speed record mind you) in swimming gear, but I reckon I wouldn't last 15 minutes fully clothed
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Old 28 September 2007, 14:58   #62
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. . . and if the number of people having a bath each year was the same as the number of people going boating these numbers might possibly have some meaning.

However quoting raw statistic like this merely serves to make you look foolish.

Based on your posts in this thread I would say your risk assessment abilities leave a lot to be desired!

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My "risk assessment" capabilities are actually non exsistant!!! WHY??? Because if there is ONE term that sums up this Nanny infested PC Nazi/Stalinist dictatorship we live in it's that!!!

Wonder if this post will survive.....
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I once went into the water with a pair of tracksuit, tshirt and a jumper on, oh and runners too. I didnt last long threading the water before I had to reach out for the ladder.

I can swim 1 mile no problem (I do every 2-3 weeks - not setting any speed record mind you) in swimming gear, but I reckon I wouldn't last 15 minutes fully clothed
I'm not sure how it is in Ireland, but clothes in the UK tend to have fastenings which makes them removable. Clever stuff eh?
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My "risk assessment" capabilities are actually non exsistant!!! WHY??? Because if there is ONE term that sums up this Nanny infested PC Nazi/Stalinist dictatorship we live in it's that!!!
You're just making yourself look foolish again. Assessing risks has nothing to do with political correctness or nannying. It's fundamental to survival. You do it all the time without even thinking about it.
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Of course it will. If you're determined to display your stupidity, why would I want to stop you?

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You make decisions based on your assessment of risk almost every waking moment. It's more a misunderstanding of risk assesments that sums up your alleged Stalinist dictatorship (I assume you're referring rib.NET?)

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You're just making yourself look foolish again. Assessing risks has nothing to do with political correctness or nannying. It's fundamental to survival. You do it all the time without even thinking about it.
Of course it will. If you're determined to display your stupidity, why would I want to stop you?

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Yes of course assessing risks is fundamental to survival - as you quite rightly say you do it all the time without even thinking about it. What I object to is the way this government has tried to turn it into a compulsion. Did you do a risk assessment is the most common cry - of course you did from the minute you woke up - why the hell try to define common sense with a law???

As to the dictatorship I was NOT referring to Ribnet but this glorious so called democracy we live in. Oh of course people have the right to vote etc but most people tend to behave like sheep and are led by the media - as the media happens to be run by Blair's mate is it any wonder he's stayed in so long? End of political bit JK!!!
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Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common
Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how
old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic
red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable
lessons as:

Knowing when to come in out of the rain;

Why the early bird gets the worm;

Life isn't always fair; and maybe it WAS my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't
spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not
children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned
but overbearing regulations were set in place.

Reports of a 6 year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for
kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash
after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student,
only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for
doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining
their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get
parental consent to administer Calpol, sun lotion or a band-aid to a
student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and
wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments
became contraband; churches became businesses; and criminals received
better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself
from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for
assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman
failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a
little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and
Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son,
Reason.

He is survived by his 3 stepbrothers; I Know My Rights; Someone
Else Is To Blame, and I'm A Victim.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was
gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the
majority and do nothing.
Brilliant and well worth reading again!!!
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Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense
I'm touched, yes truly touched, but don't want to admit where in mixed company.

Sign above a bar in Tortola, BVI: Curb your dogma

Just slap the pfd's on the babies and it will all be ok in the morning.
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If you smack your head on the Frame / cleat / side of the poontoon in the nice calm, sheltered marina / <add suitable random bizarre scenario that nobody would believe unless they actually saw it> where you end up in the water unconcious then it wouldn't matter if you were the trans atlantic swimming endurance record holder - you ain't gonna bring your mouth above water alone.

If you're unconcious, age & swimming ability become totally irrelevant. The rest is a risk assesement you have to make.


(and up this corner of the world a bouyancy aid makes quite a good extra layer to keep you warm!)


BINGO!!! - Very well said




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I'm not sure how it is in Ireland, but clothes in the UK tend to have fastenings which makes them removable. Clever stuff eh?
Have you ever attmpted to do this? Most people who fall out and are separated from their boat while not wearing a PFD don't even manage to get their boots untied before drowning let alone the rest of their clothing. How much more effort is it to remove a soaked pair of blue jeans while on terra firma, let alone while trying to stay afloat? If the water is cold, the first thing to go is any manual dexterity.

By all means, learn to swim your self and make sure that your kids learn to swim, but don't for a second think that is somehow replaces the need for you or your kids to wear PFDs. What Stoo and Thomas previously said about having their very young children always wear PFDs even when near the water is just sensible risk assessment and parenting. While I'm a capable swimmer (I put myself through university by working as a lifeguard and swimming instructor), I always wear a PFD when boating. Furthermore, nobody is allowed in my boat without one.
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