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Old 27 September 2007, 04:43   #31
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Usual suspects ranting on about safety....Traffic Wardens.
Why do discussions about safety upset you so much?

Should discussions on RIBnet be restricted to hypothetical situations? Or should users be required to preface their comments with "TimW might not agree, but in my humble opinion . . ."?

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And what extraordinary behaviour actually sending the link to this thread to the guy selling on ebay...is this a virtual way of issuing a ticket?
A few weeks ago you seemed quite convinced that it was a good thing to do!

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Only fair the guy gets a chance to respond to your opinion don't you think?
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I hope one of his accusers will eventually contact him to explain what they have been saying on here.
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The proper thing do do is for them to contact him to explain what they have been saying and ask him for his response.
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All I'm saying is contact him first.
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For gods sake, please contact him first to get his side of the story.
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I am very much hoping that one of his accusers will allow him the chance to respond to this criticism by advising him of this thread.
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Perhaps someone who so freely passes comment on his operation may care to telephone him (or her) and advise him of this thread to allow him the opportunity to respond to these posts.


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Old 27 September 2007, 04:58   #32
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Did the wave creep into the boat and 'dislodge' her, or did you as the driver just miss it/misjudge it's size relative to the capability of you/your craft?
Didn't want to give the whole story again, I accept full blame, I had a novice driving and he did the right things as instructed by me, but a bit slow, so we hit the wake of a Gin Palace at 15knots, which lifted her clean out of the bow seat. Should she have been there? Flat calm in the solent? I didnt have a problem, but the point about risk assessment is that I didn't factor in novice driver as well as girl in bow.

But Jonny, I am supporting the point about not needing "Traffic Wardens" and we shouldn't legislate - child on boat, no life jacket, must be unsafe! stuff hacks me off. When my kids are on the yot, there are some rules, (night sailing, more than F4 etc, but otherwise I am teaching them to look around them, see for themselves what the conditions are, what might happen, discuss the plans and THEN make their mind up. Laws dont help people learn! IMHO.
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Old 27 September 2007, 05:08   #33
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Agreed LJ's need to be mandatory

Kid was in danger! Full stop for me worse than no lifejacket was not being sat down at speed. Good news is that it would have cleared the prop at that speed and young bones are quite flexible so probably no breakages when cracked against A frame

I actually use that picture during my training courses and ask my stoodents whats wrong with the scenario!
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Old 27 September 2007, 05:44   #34
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Didn't want to give the whole story again, I accept full blame, I had a novice driving and he did the right things as instructed by me, but a bit slow, so we hit the wake of a Gin Palace at 15knots, which lifted her clean out of the bow seat. Should she have been there? Flat calm in the solent? I didnt have a problem, but the point about risk assessment is that I didn't factor in novice driver as well as girl in bow.

But Jonny, I am supporting the point about not needing "Traffic Wardens" and we shouldn't legislate - child on boat, no life jacket, must be unsafe! stuff hacks me off. When my kids are on the yot, there are some rules, (night sailing, more than F4 etc, but otherwise I am teaching them to look around them, see for themselves what the conditions are, what might happen, discuss the plans and THEN make their mind up. Laws dont help people learn! IMHO.
Just for the record, I reckon the sharp end is the most dangerous place to be in any fast boat travelling over a bumpy surface. This is why I hate Bowriders so much, you wouldn't get me in one one of those for love, nor money (OK, maybe an hour with Mariah Carey would be worth the risk)

The witch hunt thing is a little scarey.

My point was really that too many people on here are pre-occupied with what other people are up to, and feel it's their job to expose them, whilst at the same time prove how safety concious they are (read, 'good upright sensible citizens') A bit of an obsession I can't quite grasp. They're probably all real busy body neighbours too!

PS. from the above statement, it sounds like you think WOT would have been the right speed tpo approach the wake with the child in the bow!
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Why do discussions about safety upset you so much?

Should discussions on RIBnet be restricted to hypothetical situations? Or should users be required to preface their comments with "TimW might not agree, but in my humble opinion . . ."?

A few weeks ago you seemed quite convinced that it was a good thing to do!



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Actually there's a big difference.

The guy they're on about on this thread is simply trying to sell his RIB and probably has no interest in the grumblings on this thread.

The other thread you refer to is somebody running a commercial operation, which various members of this forum were trying to destroy without having the nerve to contact him.
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A comment from the land of NO rules

Here, you can do what you damn well please, period. I have raised four children and they all spent time on the water, from infants to teens.

I HAVE NEVER HAD YOUNG CHILDREN ONBOARD ANY VESSEL OR EVEN ON THE PIER WITHOUT FLOTATION...DUHHHHHH

Screw regulation, let's have a little common sense parenting
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3. My daughter is 4 - swims like nemo and has spent most of the latter part of the summer jumping off the side of the boats we have been operating - quite happily.......
Has she had lessons from Rob Jones?
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Why do discussions about safety upset you so much?

Should discussions on RIBnet be restricted to hypothetical situations? Or should users be required to preface their comments with "TimW might not agree, but in my humble opinion . . ."?

A few weeks ago you seemed quite convinced that it was a good thing to do!











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Old 27 September 2007, 09:09   #39
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Actually there's a big difference.

The guy they're on about on this thread is simply trying to sell his RIB and probably has no interest in the grumblings on this thread.

The other thread you refer to is somebody running a commercial operation, which various members of this forum were trying to destroy without having the nerve to contact him.
Ah, so now people should consult you before deciding whether someone should be given the opportunity to reply to critiscism here?

Anyway, I notice that you didn't respond to my other questions . . .

Is it just the tone of the discussions that you object to?
Should there be no discussions about things that people feel strongly about?
Or do you not like people having opinions that you don't agree with?



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no no..everything's fine here...just like to give my opinion.

Safety in strict moderation is my motto.
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