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Old 26 September 2007, 18:15   #21
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No excuse for not wearing a lifejacket on a small fast boat in 2007.
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Old 26 September 2007, 18:56   #22
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What about in cars or on riverbanks???
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Old 26 September 2007, 19:12   #23
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What about in cars or on riverbanks???
You're methods of arguing are laughable. That's like saying 'Why dont you wear a seatbelt in a RIB'

1) Chances of being flung off the riverbank are quite slim.

2) What good would a lifejacket be in a car? You're still stuck inside the car, all a lifejacket will make you do is stick to the roof... you'll still drown.
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Old 26 September 2007, 19:21   #24
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RIBnet, the 'World Safety Police'!....Jeez.

I agree, the kid should be wearing a lifejacket, but the way you lot make it your business to track down and expose this stuff beggars belief!
Your obsession with Bowie Knives and safety kit never ceases to amaze, have you realy got nothing better to worry about all the time than what other people are doing? get your own lives for gods sake.


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Of course he'll be an expert with hundreds of hours experience !!!!!
Goes without saying! he's a rib owner isn't he. (no doubt a loft full of worthless certificates in needlework, domestic science and cycling preficiencies too )
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Old 26 September 2007, 23:11   #25
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You're methods of arguing are laughable. That's like saying 'Why dont you wear a seatbelt in a RIB'

1) Chances of being flung off the riverbank are quite slim.

2) What good would a lifejacket be in a car? You're still stuck inside the car, all a lifejacket will make you do is stick to the roof... you'll still drown.
No I was just trying to point out that the number of people who drown falling off boats is much smaller than in other many other cases.

I feel that many people will start to rely on lifejackets as a substitute for teaching their kids to swim which is far more important!!!
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Old 27 September 2007, 02:52   #26
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sorry - im with Johnny Fuller on this - your taking this way to far and to the extreme without acurate knowledge of anything...

Look closely at the pictures again.....

1. The rib is NOT on the plane speed is circa 10 kts

1a The kid and mum are both on the engine cover which is a teak laid seating area with lumbar support not STANDING on a seat like a single jockey....

2. By law of averages the salty old sea dog in the primary picture is likely to be the skipper and appears to have a grasp of high seas.

3. My daughter is 4 - swims like nemo and has spent most of the latter part of the summer jumping off the side of the boats we have been operating - quite happily.....

Bottom line is - dont judge a book by its cover........ like codders said at the beginning - when we were kids we never had anything like what is available today - and whilst it WOULD have been sensible for the kid to wear a BA - it is not compulsory over here........
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Old 27 September 2007, 03:34   #27
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Well,
as one who freely admits to having been responsible for an accident involving a child (10yr old thrown from rib in flat water when an unexpected wake wave dislodged her) I'd like to give you her side ...
Talking to her afterwards she said "I didnt know what had happened. It took several seconds to figure out why I was wet, and I still dont really know how it happened"
Now she is a good swimmer, she has spent years on boats and is savvy, but she was disoriented. She had a BA on and this kept her relatively safe (if she had knocked her self out on the A frame as she nearly did - maybe a different story)
She is still happy to go round the harbour (6knt speed limit) with no BA on, it impeeds her ability to help with mooring lines etc, but she does not like to go where OTHER BOATS can be causing wake or where overfalls are likely to disrupt the smooth water without her BA. I believe this is a mature attitude.

Adults should take the same for young children, I believe it is better practise to encourage people in all fields to learn risk assessment and use COMMON SENSE, without having laws. - This is what has lead to the current situation - "If you are allowed to do it, it must be safe" rather than, "If you are allowed to do it, you should ASSESS whether it is safe"

When I clean the local lake of branches etc, and am on my own I'd put a rope around me even in 2 foot of water, because the RISK was much different to if there was someone else who could raise the alarm WHEN I slip in.

Relevance to the thread : Teach people to be responsible, make sure they are aware of the risks by telling them what has happened to others (like me and my daughter) but dont tell them what they must and must not do. They will never learn to think for themselves when a new situation arrives.

Rant over ...
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Old 27 September 2007, 03:41   #28
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10yr old thrown from rib in flat water when an unexpected wake wave dislodged her


The procecution rests it's case! ban all ribs, they're unsafe.

Did the wave creep into the boat and 'dislodge' her, or did you as the driver just miss it/misjudge it's size relative to the capability of you/your craft?

One day I will compile a list of all the ejections from ribs listed on this site (first hand accounts only) and present that evidence in one chunk. Would love to see the arguments for how 'statisticaly' safe they are.
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Old 27 September 2007, 04:28   #29
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May be he just can't stand the kid & wants to kill him off!!
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Old 27 September 2007, 04:30   #30
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RIBnet, the 'World Safety Police'!....Jeez.

the way you lot make it your business to track down and expose this stuff beggars belief!
Your obsession with Bowie Knives and safety kit never ceases to amaze, have you realy got nothing better to worry about all the time than what other people are doing? get your own lives for gods sake.




Goes without saying! he's a rib owner isn't he. (no doubt a loft full of worthless certificates in needlework, domestic science and cycling preficiencies too )

Of course I completely agree.

Usual suspects ranting on about safety....Traffic Wardens.

And what extraordinary behaviour actually sending the link to this thread to the guy selling on ebay...is this a virtual way of issuing a ticket?

...and for goodness sake, going round with a camera taking photographs of people on boats who may not be acting safely...unbelievable.
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