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Old 05 September 2004, 05:35   #51
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i will agree with you hightower

i do not have any RYA courses to my name yet will get around to it soon

when i started for the first time i went out with phil davies he had passed his level RYA level two and he showed me the ropes and basic bits which i follow
each time i go out

what i am saying is if you are

one of these stupid people who just go out one day and buy a boat, plonk it in the water and zoom off to sea!!! Haven't got any formal RYA powerboating qualifications or navigational qualifications either.

the words stupid and zoom will be your down full as with my life of jetskiing
stupid people will allways be stupid and hurt others with the way they act in the water and regard for others around

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if you were to do it again, would you do a RYA course or would you follow the same course of action,its peoples right to choose wether they do a course or not, by having tuition the learning curve is not so steep and you gain confidence in your ability, after you have done a course you are still learning everytime you go to sea as everyone does, the whole point of having tuition in any subject is to increase our knowledge and become better at what we do , a sensible approach is always going to be applauded, how ever its the ones who don't give a toss that will increase the call for legislation, and it will come eventually ,as our masters in Brussels will dictate that we conform with the rest of Europe look at the debate on red deisel
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if i was to do it again i would still get the boat first then training

i still need to do my training and will do so later on

i under stand training is a must and should realy be like a car on the road

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Funny really, but when I got my RIB insured I told them I didn't have qualifications and very little experience on the water and payed the £160 which I thought quite resonable. I'm sure that if I said I had all the qualifications you could get, I wouldn't get an insurance quote for much less than that! Third party, theft, accident damage whilst on the trailer and in the water to include leg damage to 2K.

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You are forgetting one major thing here: Proportion.

99% of the population regularaly use a private car, in comparison, a minute ammount use boats recreationally (where the accidents we are talking about occour).
Whilst only a few people got killed in boats, only a few people use boats, and therefore it is evident that the boating death statistics are going to be significantly lower.
Not so!! there are 54 million car users in the UK (26million drivers) out of a population of 66 million and on average 3500 road deaths a year that makes it a 1:15428 chance of being killed
There are just over 1million members of water sport related clubs that means that there is a 1:40000 chance of being killed.
This 1 million does not include the 3 million fishermen some of whom go sea, the 1-2 million who cross the channel each year or the boat owners and their friends who are not club members.

The stats don’t support the perceived risk.

The reason there is so much interest in deaths and accidents at sea is that it is one of the Medias pet subjects, ever day 10 people die on our roads and 60 are seriously injured and this rarely makes the news, get one person drown and it is headline news.

Out of a given population a percentage are going to be idiots, no amount of training will make them safer and in some ways training might give them confidence to do something they are incapable of.

Reasonable people will know when they are not up to a task and will seek help or training. This is the current situation and I think, by and large, it works.
Any changes will result in legislation, cost and are still unlikely to make a difference. Licensing will not stop idiots at sea any more than it does on the roads

Each year the French shooting fraternity shoot about 20 of their own in hunting accident, the French minister responsible was asked by a UK journalist why he was not considering a ban. The ministers responded by saying ‘ if you go shooting you might get shot’ in other word if you take a risk this is one possible out come.

This seems remarkably balanced………………..for a Frenchman

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