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Old 31 August 2004, 03:01   #11
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Hi folks

Let me make it clear that I'm VERY MUCH against the council's idea of banning 'inflatables'. My point is that the PRAT in question could spoil it for all of us.

My SIB would certainly be banned and how would a ban on 'inflatables' affect Rigid INFLATABLE Boats?

Ban the IDIOTIC PRAT - not the rest of us.

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IMHO they should ban any one who does not have a power boat licence by the RYA or a recognised by the RYA body.
As a matter of fact there should be a law that if one does not have a licence to drive a boat by a recognised EU or UK body he/she should not be allowed to buy a boat of any shape including these jet things etc.
In that way one can avoid or at least minimise stupid accidents and also minimise wasting public funds and last BUT NOT LEAST minimise endangering other peoples lives IMHO of course
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Old 31 August 2004, 12:23   #13
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I agree, but unfortunately the RYA doesn't. Their policy is education not legislation.

I find it amazing that pleasure boating is about the only form of transport where you do not have to undergo any formal training before being let loose on the unsuspecting public.
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John Gore I agree, but unfortunately the RYA doesn't. Their policy is education not legislation.

I then agree with the RYA

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I find it amazing that pleasure boating is about the only form of transport where you do not have to undergo any formal training before being let loose on the unsuspecting public.
and long may it be the case
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Old 31 August 2004, 12:44   #15
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and long may it be the case
....and I suppose it doesn't matter how may die or are injured in the meantime
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As an Advanced Instructor I spend a lot of time teaching people to handle their boats responsibly. However, it's not those who want training who I'm objecting to, its those who don't even bother to be trained.

Without a form of licensing for boat users there will never be any effective means to get them trained, and they will continue to go out in unsafe conditions, putting themselves and others at risk.
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Their policy is education not legislation.
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Insurance companies will drive this before anyone else.

Isnt it funny how you can drive a boat without a license but you cant use a vhf without one?? Where's the logic in that !

I agree with the rya - on the other hand i';m sitting here looking out of my office window and its low springs. 6 out of the last 8 people to recover their boat have dropped their trailers over the end of the slipway. 7 out of 10 boats that launch here don't have life jackets.

May be it shoule be law to wear a life jacket and carry safety equipment, praps even an mot.
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Like all good lies, there is an element of truth in it. Of course, no one wants anybody killed or injured boating. But you canít take risk out of the whole of life. To take two extremes of example:
You can get killed crossing the road, kayaking, surfing, diving, rock climbing and mountain trekking. None of these activities require a license and although training is ultra-desirable in all these pastimes, no one makes you take a test or have formal training. Might be interesting to compare the number of diver deaths per 1000 divers versus amateur boaters ditto.
At the other end of the spectrum, where do you stop? Must you have a license to buy a wetbike? A rib? A yacht tender? A canoe? A towable ring? A surfboard? Who will administer all things? Who will enforce the rules? How much will it all cost? And what will be the consequences of all this for the marine industry and our leisure? In Germany you have to sit an examination that is every bit as exacting as an A-Level if you wish to get a permit to go fishing (angling). How big do you think that sport is in Germany compared to the UK?
If wetbikers are breaking the rules, let the local authorities hammer them. Let us exert peer-pressure on all those who shirk proper training and are acting in a foolhardy way.
Even if everyone is eventually licensed to death, do you really think there wont be any more plonkers out there? The vast majority of marine accidents that I read about are actually caused by highly trained, commercial, professionals anyway. Did any of YOU run aground on that cargo ship that sunk last year with all those luxury cars on board off Belgium?
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I hate any form of law that is intended to protect people from their own sheer stupidity!

Just like the seatbelt law in cars - I wouldn't be here now if it wasn't for my seatbelt but I wasn't wearing one because the law told me to! I ADVISE my front seat passenger to wear a seatbelt - I MAKE a rear passenger sitting behind me wear one!

Same with motorbikes and crash helmets.

When i finally get my RIB I will insist on kids wearing lifejackets but as to the adults if they choose to ignore my advice that's their problem.
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....and I suppose it doesn't matter how may die or are injured in the meantime
Just to add to the debate. You don't have to be licensed to divein the UK! However ther are more incidents of divers being rescued than people in their "garage inflatables".

Just my thoughts
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