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Old 26 May 2012, 04:56   #11
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...and befor they left Portugal splashes were taken and NOW we have a new Hydrosport range...doesn't sound like cricket to me???
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So, once again Andy - grow up and try to make your living out of your own work and not by sending shit in all directions. Believe me, you will not make any profit from that. Ever.
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Eddy...you shouldn't air your dirty washing in public...
It seems to have come up quite clean though...
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Old 26 May 2012, 05:14   #12
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could be very interested for our new website site that we building as we speak. Our main business is outboard servicing and this site is nearly done and ranks v well so its time to look at other areas.

so if you think we could both make money and you have a product at the higher quality end of the market then please get in touch.
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Old 27 May 2012, 16:24   #13
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Dear All Here a post off one off the owners off Roughneck. WE HAVE TO PUT A FEW THINGS ON HIS PLACE !!!

tHE MOLDS ARE BOUGHT MARCH 2008 AND YES IT TOOK 9 MONTHS FOR EDDY TO GIVE THEM TO THE BUYER.

His excuse was we have to build all the boats ready that are in order and yes it took 9 months. When we visit one off his resellers in Sweden on 21 june 2009 there where just boats delivered a few days before 21 june . After Eddy sold his molds he took a lots off fibergals products out off the molds so he could deliver also in 2009 still boats while he was working on new molds.

All the people are so enthousiastic about the old 636 and we are very happy about that. In mine opinion NEVER change a winnning team. all the changes that are mentioned means a complete other boat. Not each change makes a boat better. Iff thats the isseu lets start waiting till this new boat has convinced all the people. For now the Old model 636 is winning in holland everything what can be wonn in his class !!!
About quality.......................... Yes they are now building in holland and we have a dedicated team building all the Ribs to the highest standards
The new 1010 designed by Frank Mulder form Mulder Design Mulder Design - Home look on his page We build boats after his spec's and design even the old boats they where already that good but changes in construction are made to keep them in one piece.

Some comment for andy, He knows all the details and i think andy is disappointed in the person Eddy as a bussines man. And he is not the only one

Iff there is any one who is interrested in buiyng The Roughneck, The boat that is not the cheapest but can stand the highest quality level is welcom to contact Us in holland take a look on our website Roughneck Marine
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Old 27 May 2012, 18:35   #14
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Eddy...you shouldn't air your dirty washing in public...I have PM you...or I could come to Lisbon and sort it with you...you would need to buy the beers though.
Well, Andrew McLeod-Ross (owner of BWM ribs, isnt' it?), I have not started washing dirty laundry in public, I just defended myself from your accusations.

Yeah, sure, I pay the beer! ;-)
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Old 27 May 2012, 19:11   #15
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tHE MOLDS ARE BOUGHT MARCH 2008 AND YES IT TOOK 9 MONTHS FOR EDDY TO GIVE THEM TO THE BUYER.

His excuse was we have to build all the boats ready that are in order and yes it took 9 months. When we visit one off his resellers in Sweden on 21 june 2009 there where just boats delivered a few days before 21 june . After Eddy sold his molds he took a lots off fibergals products out off the molds so he could deliver also in 2009 still boats while he was working on new molds.


Some comment for andy, He knows all the details and i think andy is disappointed in the person Eddy as a bussines man. And he is not the only one
Nicolaas Jan Dekker, I am really flattered by the fact that you instead of considering the big brands as a threat to your business, you consider our small company on the outskirts of Europe your biggest competitor - given the fact that you spend your time writing silly accusations.

Right now I am looking at a contract signed by you the 4th of October 2008 - which was the date you effectively bought the moulds. The last molds were delivered by the end of the year - at the same time the last payment was made. In Portugal that gives us 3 months, not 9. I am not sure how you count months in Holland, you might have a different calender from the rest of Europe.

And yes, we had orders from Sea Force One in Sweden that was delivered in 2009 - after this distributor asked us to slow down delivery - they did not want the boats before spring. Anyone, please feel free to contact Sea Force One to confirm this.

As for me as a businessman, I am not the right person to make a judgement of that. But fact remains that all the old Hydrosport distributors came back to us after dealing with Roughneck for a few months or even a year. And I did not ask them to stop dealing with you, nor did I ask them to buy boats from me. As opposed to what you did. They simply seem to prefer to deal with us, I do not know if that is because they prefere the new boats or because they think I am a nice bloke. ;-)

Nico, I have NEVER said any negative things about Roughneck, nor will I ever do. So do your job the best you can, make your boats the best you can and try to be happy with that.

And please stop this silly discussion. There should be enough space in this world for all of us.
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...... There should be enough space in this world for all of us.
Isn't that the biggest problem, that there are simply too many manufacturers chasing the same business (not just true of RIB builders but boatbuilding in general)? Perhaps if there were fewer builders the prices would come down to a reasonable level.
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Perhaps if there were fewer builders the prices would come down to a reasonable level.
No, that doesn't make sense. Less competition/choice causes prices to rise, not fall. If you follow your theory to it's logical conclusion, we'd all be driving an overpriced Zodiac
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No, that doesn't make sense. Less competition/choice causes prices to rise, not fall. If you follow your theory to it's logical conclusion, we'd all be driving an overpriced Zodiac
... and we wouldn't want to do that, would we? looooooooooooool


Sorry willk, I just couldn't hold it back! :-)
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No, that doesn't make sense. Less competition/choice causes prices to rise, not fall. If you follow your theory to it's logical conclusion, we'd all be driving an overpriced Zodiac
I said fewer, not one. There'll always be room for a number of specialist manufacturers, as there is in the automotive industry (Ferrari, Lotus, etc) but you only have to look at what happened in that industry over the last 40 years or so to see what I mean. The flood of cheap, mass-produced Japanese cars brought much of the industry to its knees in the 70's, and resulted in names like Triumph, Austin/Morris (later British Leyland), and a host of others going to the wall. Those that survived (and most of them have had their ups and downs too) only did so by moving with the time, automating processes and standardising practices.

The early Japanese imports (and the initial offerings from Korea and the like), were of inferior quality, but look at them now, and it won't be long before even the Japanese are threatened by production from mainland China and India.

Similarly, people knock the Chinese manufactured RIBs at present, but once they get a foothold in world markets they'll up their game, and many of the current European manufacturers will find it impossible to compete. The marine industry needs, in my opinion, to wake up and smell the coffee - before it is too late!

They'd do well to look at the likes of VAG Group, where a 'family' of brands aimed at different aspirational markets and different price points share not just technology/development costs but use 80% or more of the same parts. The Audi A1/VW Polo/SEAT Ibiza/Skoda Fabia are virtually the same cars under the skin, and other manufacturers share, for example, engines.

Without such collaborations, and the economics of scale that they bring, the price of your Ford Fiesta's and Vauxhall Astra's would be double what they are now. If the marine industry were to do likewise, and build more 'Ford Focus' rather than everyone wanting to be a Landrover or Ferrari equivalent, then boating would be more accessible and we wouldn't have to pay more for a basic 5m RIB with engine than you'd pay for the BMW 3-series.

That, or we wait until the Chinese wipe the floor of course.
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Hi NSS

I am not convinced that comparing ribs to cars is a good one due to the difference in the number of cars sold and ribs sold.

Less choice means higher prices which is also why we have the monopolies commission ( now Competition Commission) to stop such practice.

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