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Old 16 April 2011, 14:17   #11
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Sorry, I should have been more specific; I'm curious to know what their stance is regarding the use of TEPs for demos - assuming the demo is properly organised at a training centre etc as opposed to someone just letting them off!
Yeah yeah I understood that What with the issues of disposal it would surely be the best way tbh? I shall have a quick scout on the net to see if there is an official policy on the matter from the RYA/BMF/RNLI/MCA etc.
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All Public RNLI Flare Demos by the Sea Safety Team were cancelled, suspended in November/December 2009. Station and Lifeboat Crew do these on on the water demos...

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Old 16 April 2011, 17:59   #13
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Perhaps one of the visiting vessels could be persuaded to leave some behind on the dock? Maybe if you left a crate of beer on the dock you might find the boxes got mixed up?
Easier said than done unfortunately but I sort of have a plan something along those lines
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Originally Posted by gotchiguy View Post
obviously you take off the cap at either end point it at the sky and pull the trigger
Careful, they don't all work that way. You were probably using the old-style Pains Wessex parachute flares. Their new model has a different firing mechanism, as do other manufacturers - eg Hanson. The answer is to read the instructions carefully when you get new flares, and be sure you understand how your own are fired before you may ever need them

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When our flares go out of date I will urge GD to attend an RNLI flare meeting (like the one we did, I think they are done for the public too though) so that he can set off some flares and get a little practice.
The RNLI are not offering flare demonstrations at the moment - the latest thing is a session on "Calling for Help" which is a much broader topic. Even when they did flare demos (and doubtless it will be the same if they restart), they would not permit out-of-date flares to be used

And in answer to the comment elsewhere that some lifeboat stations might take in old flares, I'm afraid the answer is No. They are not permitted to do so. For most of us, it's the designated Coastguard stations, or persuade your chandler to take the old ones in return for your custom in buying the replacements

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There are lots of flare demos on youtube . So if you need a demo for a particular type of flare there may well be one on line waiting for you !

I have some out of date smoke flares that my local chandlers have said they will take them off my hands when i buy some new ones .

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If you were to find some out of date flares dumped in the street in a carrier bag and did your public duty,(in case children were to find them) and took them to the police station or nearest coastguard (not the RNLI) I doubt that they'd refuse to take them.
If such a thing were ever to happen of course............
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And clearly, (as insurance companies have found), unlucky things seem to happen to the same people, its entirely feasible that you may keep finding that carrier bag every 3 years or so, in more or less the same spot
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Indeed, however the hazardous classification for TEPs increases the second they become out of date (in other words they become more hazardous).
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As I've already mentioned, the hazardous classification of a TEP changes when it goes out of date.
No they don't. They are classified as 1.4G whether in date or expired.

There's lots of misinformation around about the whole subject. There were a couple of long threads about it a while ago:

Flares: should we give up carrying them?
Legislation about using distress flares
Disposal of flares

The official line for leisure users is "contact your local Maritime Rescue Co-ordination Centre (MRCC), who will advise you on how the flares can be disposed of safely". It then says "The MRCC will tell you where your nearest disposal site is and its opening times. You'll have to deliver the flares to the disposal site at an agreed time. It's likely that you may have to travel a long distance, depending on the facilities available in your area."

The BMF also has a TEP Disposal Service for its members. Maybe it might be worth encouraging more use of this?

Your local firework company may be willing to take handheld red flares off you but they are less likely to be interested in the smokes or parachute flares.

It's not a great situation, but whatever the rights or wrongs of it, I suspect that in a few years time distress pyrotechnics will be history anyway.
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John, TEPS are 1.4 only if they are in their original packaging, and they are transported in Secondary Transport Mitigation Cages (STMCs). Otherwise they are 1.2
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Originally Posted by marinesafety View Post
... the hazardous classification for TEPs increases the second they become out of date (in other words they become more hazardous).
So what is their classification when out of date?

And I do not believe that they become more hazardous even if their class changes. If there is, as you say, a change then it is more to do with packing.

Either way my advice remains, make sure the company you buy flares from understands that they ought to accept the old ones. If in doubt contact the Coasties who are very used to fielding this question in your area.

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