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Old 28 December 2010, 13:23   #11
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it's hard to predict how anyone will react in an emergency.
This is very true and I don't think people can be blamed for that, we all have our strengths and weaknesses.

If anyone should be publicly shamed, and I don't think it helps if anyone is, it should be the people with "no gear and no idea". You can't make a bad vhf call if you haven't got a vhf etc etc
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Old 28 December 2010, 17:06   #12
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Like most of the finger wavers and pointers of authority,be it a goverment agency or other ,its nice that they can sit smug and desk thump and throw books at people when they have usually the best of equipment or resources to play around with at no expence to themselves.
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Old 28 December 2010, 20:41   #13
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Don't know why you lot are even discussing it. This thread belongs on rhib.net not here!!
I wish they'd decide what they are going to call a rigid inflatable boat. Surely they can agree on something?

I am told at work how to write the date on my letters for crying out loud.....can't the MCGA/MCA/Coastguard decide on this????

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If everyone was in the water, and they cracked off a flare and still managed to get out a vhf call from proper water level, that's bloomin' good going.
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Old 29 December 2010, 04:09   #15
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Im personally going to complain about the comments from the duty watch officer, seems to me the crew did a fine job, as they were thrown from the RIB im presuming they had a kill cord attached, a hand held VHF was on one of them and they somehow also had a flare available, what more could someone have done in similar circumstances. If I had been thrown from my Rib I would have had a VHF as its clipped to my life jacket, the Kill cord would have activated, I would not have had a flare as those are in a locker on the RIB so if I could not have got back into the Rib I could not have used one. I do also carry a personal locator beackon so could have used that. I think the statement "all the gear and no idea" is completely inaccurate it should have been "most of the gear and a good idea".

With regard to contacting the agencies with a passage plan before setting off, in reality how many people do that if they are just going for a spin out ? Im sure the agencies would get rather annoyed if every boater did that. If im going on a long journey I would do that but for just messing about in solent and along jurrasic coastline I usually just let the misses know what area I will be in and then check in with her at a pre-arranged time later in the day.

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Old 29 December 2010, 04:12   #16
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Very good. I feel disappointed by the comment and would like further explaination of the facts. However it would appear that the crew did a good job, unless something is missing from the story.

In our industry, those involved try not to make any judgemental comments in the spur of the moment, to avaid just this sort of thing. That was until Quantas lost the engine, when the MD got a bit vocal ....
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Not passing comment on Press release

5 POB on RIB
Helm + 1 stayed in the boat
3 ended up in the water
2 automatic lifejackets failed to inflate
1 manual also not inflated

They were lucky the MOD Police launch was not far away and a passing yacht picked up 2 of the water casualties.
These casualties were very cold and had only been in the water for about 5 minutes, requiring hospitalisation.

Please regularly check your lifejacket.
Practise man overboard drills in all weathers you take your boat out in.
Wear appropriate clothing
Ensure everyone is briefed on use of radio, flares etc

Be safe and have a happy new year.
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Im personally going to complain about the comments from the duty watch officer, seems to me the crew did a fine job, as they were thrown from the RIB im presuming they had a kill cord attached, a hand held VHF was on one of them and they somehow also had a flare available, what more could someone have done in similar circumstances. If I had been thrown from my Rib I would have had a VHF as its clipped to my life jacket, the Kill cord would have activated, I would not have had a flare as those are in a locker on the RIB so if I could not have got back into the Rib I could not have used one. I do also carry a personal locator beackon so could have used that. I think the statement "all the gear and no idea" is completely inaccurate it should have been "most of the gear and a good idea".

With regard to contacting the agencies with a passage plan before setting off, in reality how many people do that if they are just going for a spin out ? Im sure the agencies would get rather annoyed if every boater did that. If im going on a long journey I would do that but for just messing about in solent and along jurrasic coastline I usually just let the misses know what area I will be in and then check in with her at a pre-arranged time later in the day.

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All good points Mark, maybe just a slip of judgement however by whoever made the 'all the gear' comment ? It is easy if something unrelated has got to you to say the wrong thing and in a few seconds its all gone nuts !

I always do a radio check... a flying hangover I guess and will always tell the CG if I am out in the dark or in 'iffy' weather..... but they always seem to view it as a pain and regularly dont reply late at night when I radio on reaching where I am going.....

Also good point about checking lifejackets etc , but at the end of the day they all got back and to be fair hopefully in the solent once someone knows you are in trouble help is usually very close to hand....

Just wait for the MAIB report now !
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All good points Mark, maybe just a slip of judgement however by whoever made the 'all the gear' comment ? It is easy if something unrelated has got to you to say the wrong thing and in a few seconds its all gone nuts !

I always do a radio check... a flying hangover I guess and will always tell the CG if I am out in the dark or in 'iffy' weather..... but they always seem to view it as a pain and regularly dont reply late at night when I radio on reaching where I am going.....

Also good point about checking lifejackets etc , but at the end of the day they all got back and to be fair hopefully in the solent once someone knows you are in trouble help is usually very close to hand....

Just wait for the MAIB report now !
PeterM, do you feel that your late night calls are unanswered because the CG can't be bothered to reply? Could it be that there is poor VHF coverage with low aerial height at your destinations? I ask because it seems astonishing to me that your calls are not acknowledged.

In my, admittedly limited, experience of CG Ops Rooms, I can't ever remember a call on ch 16 not being acknowledged at any time - even when casualty working. At such times the reply may have been, 'Casualty working, for routine traffic please call back later', or perhaps 'Seelonce Mayday' if appropriate. But the call would always be acknowledged.

Of course, we had nowhere near as much radio traffic as the stations on the south coast, perhaps they just get overwhelmed at times by the sheer volume of routine traffic.

Like you I rarely file a TR unless I'm going well offshore without an accompanying boat.
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