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Old 25 September 2011, 13:16   #1
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ok, so what is it with a certain (not the orange nice one ) dark coloured fast ferry that runs out of Tayvallich
earlier today they came out of Tayvallich, and at displacement speed, headed towards a group of 4 canoeists, about 100/150 metres outside the entrance- so at displacement speed the boat had time to see they were there, and make a slight deviation around them. Why then does he head straight for them, and only at the last moment, literally seconds from them, and when one of the canoeists takes a camera out to take a photo of the incident does the rib alter course? and then pass within a couple of metres of the canoes. Now I know we had a little discussion on this topic sometime last year, but really, is such behaviour necessary from a local commercial operator- whats the driver (so to speak hehe ) behind this behaviour, is the driving position unsighted at displacement speed, is there the thought that canoes are lower in the 'order' than a motor boat, is there the belief that they are coming in from the left hand side across a 'shipping channel' - all in good humour guys, and the ones who know me will recognise my humour on this topic, anyway, I'm off to calm down and consider my options
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ok, so what is it with a certain (not the orange nice one ) dark coloured fast ferry that runs out of Tayvallich
earlier today they came out of Tayvallich, and at displacement speed, headed towards a group of 4 canoeists, about 100/150 metres outside the entrance- so at displacement speed the boat had time to see they were there, and make a slight deviation around them. Why then does he head straight for them, and only at the last moment, literally seconds from them, and when one of the canoeists takes a camera out to take a photo of the incident does the rib alter course? and then pass within a couple of metres of the canoes. Now I know we had a little discussion on this topic sometime last year, but really, is such behaviour necessary from a local commercial operator- whats the driver (so to speak hehe ) behind this behaviour, is the driving position unsighted at displacement speed, is there the thought that canoes are lower in the 'order' than a motor boat, is there the belief that they are coming in from the left hand side across a 'shipping channel' - all in good humour guys, and the ones who know me will recognise my humour on this topic, anyway, I'm off to calm down and consider my options
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Hi Chris
I sitting looking out over the bay as I type this. Same culprit I guess as last year? The only reason I can think of is that this is the wend of the Jura festival so they have been going back and forth constantly since Fri. Still no excuse and he big N should no better as he has been about boats all his life personally& professionally and knows theses waters well. Why font you hive him a call.
Cheers for now sorry missed you. B
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I sitting looking out over the bay as I type this. Same culprit I guess as last year? The only reason I can think of is that this is the wend of the Jura festival so they have been going back and forth constantly since Fri. Still no excuse and he big N should no better as he has been about boats all his life personally& professionally and knows theses waters well. Why font you hive him a call.
Cheers for now sorry missed you. B
Chris just had a thought the ferry is pretty high bow at displacement probable forward line of vision issued. I not putting forward a plea of mitigation for him merely an observation over years of boating around him. B
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hi, yep, I try to give him the benefit, and I've taught on boats that they lost 'immediate vision' while going from displacement mode, I'm just so so so annoyed that he came within a couple of seconds of wiping out some canoes, and isn't there a thing somewhere about keeping a good lookout.
anyway, I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, and he has been around boats for years, so I'll stop there
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hi, yep, I try to give him the benefit, and I've taught on boats that they lost 'immediate vision' while going from displacement mode, I'm just so so so annoyed that he came within a couple of seconds of wiping out some canoes, and isn't there a thing somewhere about keeping a good lookout.
anyway, I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, and he has been around boats for years, so I'll stop there
Chris I agree with you I would be bloody annoyed as well to put it bluntly. I am so glad no one was injured and put of from enjoying the water. B
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Eilan mor,

I understand your concern. However if the canoes had the time and presence of mind to start taking pictures then it really wasn't that close, or the canoes were intentionally seeing how close he would go, which isn't that smart.

However, i'be helmed an 11m Redbay, albeit not that one, and I don't recall a problem with forward via when getting on the plane.
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Eilan mor,

I understand your concern. However if the canoes had the time and presence of mind to start taking pictures then it really wasn't that close, or the canoes were intentionally seeing how close he would go, which isn't that smart.

However, i'be helmed an 11m Redbay, albeit not that one, and I don't recall a problem with forward via when getting on the plane.
Not sure I buy that, Polwart. At displacement speed (say, 5 knots?) it would only take the fast ferry a minute or so to cover that distance. As you say, forward vision from a 11m Redbay at that speed is pretty good and if the helm was keeping a good lookout I can't really see much excuse for him getting within even 20 metres, let alone a couple. I think most people on this forum would recognise the vulnerability of canoeists and would keep well clear of them.

Col Regs apply, as far as I remember to "all vessels upon the high seas", and (Rule 2, I think) say that due regard has to be given to the limitations of any vessels involved.

This guy does have a bit of a reputation and although I'm not suggesting he was hunting canoeists, he does seem to have failed to be a courteous water-user, and not made much of an effort to take avoiding action. I don't see any excuse for that sort of behaviour, and it's driving like that gets all of us powerboaters a bad name
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