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Old 06 May 2013, 07:47   #1
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High tech kill cords - the next generation?

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I can't hep thinking footstraps would have helped the Coxswain stay in the boat. I understand that they can break your ankles but i'd rather that to having my chest opened d by a prop.
nice day, family boating, sounds like overlooked the kill cord, whats the chances their feet would be in footstraps? Would a sprung throttle that returns to neutral/tickover if nobody keeps it open not be a more 'fail safe' approach?

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how do they enforce it in SA and Spain where I believe this sort od Regs are in place?
because they don't have any accidents there do they?
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Would a sprung throttle that returns to neutral/tickover if nobody keeps it open not be a more 'fail safe' approach?
I sprung throttle would be vertually unusable in a bit of sea and, try out swimming an ingear boat at tickover.

The killcord doesn't require reinventing, it just needs to work and be worn.
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how do they enforce it in SA and Spain where I believe this sort od Regs are in place?
marine police and Coastguards with GUNS and lots of ATTITUDE!!! met coastguards out at sea all over the world and they aint all friendly and helpful like they are here! Nor are they volunteers as the UK coast teams are.
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sprung throttle would be vertually unusable in a bit of sea and,
do you think so? my understanding was this was the approach the RNLI used (as they don't use kill cords) and every bit of 'serious sea' I've been in meant the throttle was constantly being worked anyway.
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The killcord doesn't require reinventing, it just needs to work and be worn.
mmm... any safety device that requires proactive use by human beings is fundamentally flawed. Most kill cords rely on actively killing the engine so the electrics don't fail safe (see RW's comments on boats he's driven where they don't work). Rely on the operator putting it on (see PD's comments about people who believe in them slipping up). Can fail (see various previous refs to crap red plastic, slipping off wrists etc).
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do you think so? my understanding was this was the approach the RNLI used (as they don't use kill cords) and every bit of 'serious sea' I've been in meant the throttle was constantly being worked anyway.
mmm...
For sure.
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yes the RNLI do have footstraps (on at least some of their Atlantics). They also have the throttle's in an "odd" place almost behind the helm.
Yes the present RNLI Atlantic 85 is fitted with foot straps - both to give support in the rough stuff and also to help keep the crew within the foot print of the boat in the event of an inversion.

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In relation to the trottle position - to helm is to understand - it is a very comfortable "neutral" position which reduces involuntary movement - the trottles are not spring loaded.

In relation to the old chesnut the RYA only receive 8.50 for every successful Powerboat Level 2 candidate - for this they supply the RTC with a photo I.D. certificate and a Start Powerboating Book.

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In relation to the trottle position - to helm is to understand - it is a very comfortable "neutral" position which reduces involuntary movement -
if you were speccing a pleasure boat for rough water use - would you consider this 'non standard' position?

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You had me thinking I had completely made that up - but I am sure I read it here, as well as it being in this:
The Code of Practice for Open Rescue Boats of Less than 15 Metres in Length Consultation

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Throttles must be sprung loaded to return to idle
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if you were speccing a pleasure boat for rough water use - would you consider this 'non standard' position?



You had me thinking I had completely made that up - but I am sure I read it here, as well as it being in this:
The Code of Practice for Open Rescue Boats of Less than 15 Metres in Length Consultation
Re: Position of throttles - what is the standard position? - on my personal boat the throttles are placed in the middle of the console which I detest and I would move them in a heart beat to this "non-standard" position if it didn't involved a lot of effort and money.

Re: Spring loading of throttles - my statement still stands - the document you refer to it still only a "draft"
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If you can get in the habit of clipping to wheel or screen then its in your face or needs removed before your start. It still won't guarantee it - but helps to get into the habit. The other 'trick' is to keep it attached to YOU when you get out. Then you have to reconnect to drive.
Maybe manufacturers should come up with a KC which wont allow the engine to start until it's attached to the helmsman?
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anybody ever used the "wireless" kill switches out there? Do they work? Are they reliable?
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