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Old 19 May 2013, 18:29   #81
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Again, overcomplicated, too many potential fail ponts and more likelyhood of people trying even harder for a way to disable it-or simply eleminating any new sales of the motor if it was an OEM fitment.

You have to be realistic. You're not being.

I have an idea. Give me 500 and I'll do something to your boat that over time will really get up your nose, then I'll increase the possibility of your outboard not running.

Does that sound appealing? Didn't think so...
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Old 19 May 2013, 19:19   #82
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That'd be a hell of a loud warning tone to be heard over the wind/rain/outboard.

The point is, while your idea works in theory, in practice it'd be enough of a pain in the neck that people would just remove it.
The muppets who won't wear a lifejacket/killcord wouldn't pay to have it retrofitted -they don't think they need a killcord.

In order to get a motor manufacturer to supply it as OEM, they'd have to supply a standard helm unit or wheel with a new outboard.
As I mentioned previously, an audible/visual alarm.

Completely agree that any such system would not be retrofitted but neither were airbags or ABS or any of the other new technologies that have been introduced on cars. I'm not saying my suggestion is the answer, merely that there may be a better (in the sense of it not easily being ignored) solution than the current one.
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Old 19 May 2013, 19:25   #83
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Umm, crap idea! just cant see this working, Education, education and wear your KC!!
The engine manufacturer who's just offered me 100k to develop the idea obviously disagrees.







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As I mentioned previously, an audible/visual alarm.

Completely agree that any such system would not be retrofitted but neither were airbags or ABS or any of the other new technologies that have been introduced on cars. I'm not saying my suggestion is the answer, merely that there may be a better (in the sense of it not easily being ignored) solution than the current one.
The way I see it is this.

The killcord is effectively your seatbelt. There's no realistic replacement for it apart from better materials for the cord and more reliable switches in the same way that there's no primary replacement for a seatbelt. There's variations (inertiareel, multipoint point harnesses, self tightening etc) but the basic concept is the same. It's a physical tether. Everything else is secondary.

So far nobody has suggested anything that isn't going to get on people's nerves or require extra input. You get in your car and the airbags don't annoy you by requiring extra input. ABS doesn't annoy you. Stability controls don't annoy you.

Now imagine you're driving a rally car fast over rough terrain and you have to press a button or hold the wheel in a particular way in order to keep the engine running. Or even, imagine you're doing 30 knots and it's a bit bouncy. Look down at the console to press a button or look at a light that's just come up.
Hurts doesn't it
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Old 20 May 2013, 02:47   #85
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The way I see it is this.

The killcord is effectively your seatbelt. There's no realistic replacement for it apart from better materials for the cord and more reliable switches in the same way that there's no primary replacement for a seatbelt. There's variations (inertiareel, multipoint point harnesses, self tightening etc) but the basic concept is the same. It's a physical tether. Everything else is secondary.

So far nobody has suggested anything that isn't going to get on people's nerves or require extra input. You get in your car and the airbags don't annoy you by requiring extra input. ABS doesn't annoy you. Stability controls don't annoy you.

Now imagine you're driving a rally car fast over rough terrain and you have to press a button or hold the wheel in a particular way in order to keep the engine running. Or even, imagine you're doing 30 knots and it's a bit bouncy. Look down at the console to press a button or look at a light that's just come up.
Hurts doesn't it
Exactly my point. +1 agreed

The audible beep or light idea isn't a bad one, let's say it comes on and or beeps up to 1,000 rpm. That way its enough of a warning without the annoyance factor ? Much like your seat belt warning light does on the car. That could have some mileage in it if we must have any improvement, although I still think the current system works just fine and I'd be spending the money (which is yet be to advised where's its coming from by the way) on education or awareness

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It hasn't highlighted the limitations of the existing safety model, it's highlighted that someone didn't USE the existing safety model.

Every proposal so far (bar the very simple one I made a few pages back about the igniton switch which was ignored) has been overcomplicated, introduced many more potential fail points, utterly impractical and a total pain in the neck for the end user.
They sound like a 'bluesky thinking brainstorming solution' by salesmen who don't have any practical clue of how the actual system would work or any real idea of how people will respond to such a system.

All of which means there's more likelyhood of people trying even harder for a way to disable it-or simply eleminating any new sales of the motor if it was an OEM fitment.

You have to be realistic.



The killcord is our metal spike. If people are too stupid to use it,then there really isn't much you can do.
I was going to think up a great reply to all of the ridiculous ideas but I can't beat the reply above - Thanks Nos!

Really? Press a button every minute?
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The way I see it is this.

The killcord is effectively your seatbelt. There's no realistic replacement for it apart from better materials for the cord and more reliable switches in the same way that there's no primary replacement for a seatbelt. There's variations (inertiareel, multipoint point harnesses, self tightening etc) but the basic concept is the same. It's a physical tether. Everything else is secondary.

So far nobody has suggested anything that isn't going to get on people's nerves or require extra input. You get in your car and the airbags don't annoy you by requiring extra input. ABS doesn't annoy you. Stability controls don't annoy you.

Now imagine you're driving a rally car fast over rough terrain and you have to press a button or hold the wheel in a particular way in order to keep the engine running. Or even, imagine you're doing 30 knots and it's a bit bouncy. Look down at the console to press a button or look at a light that's just come up.
Hurts doesn't it
I'm not saying you're wrong but a seatbelt is no more use than a killcord if it's not worn, and after all these years there's still a significant number who won't wear a seatbelt. Technology evolves. My new car comes with lane departure warning, tiredness warning, post-collision braking and host of other safety features designed to reduce the risk to me, my passengers and other road users. It may be passive but it's also progress and all I'm suggesting is there may be a better or complimentary solution to the killcord.

As for rally drivers, they have a range of warning lights and gauges to monitor, and the only time they let go of the wheel is when they're about to impact a tree/wall/ditch/etc. I'm sure you glance at your gauges periodically, even at full chat.
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I was going to think up a great reply to all of the ridiculous ideas but I can't beat the reply above - Thanks Nos!

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I'm not saying you're wrong but a seatbelt is no more use than a killcord if it's not worn, and after all these years there's still a significant number who won't wear a seatbelt. Technology evolves. My new car comes with lane departure warning, tiredness warning, post-collision braking and host of other safety features designed to reduce the risk to me, my passengers and other road users. It may be passive but it's also progress and all I'm suggesting is there may be a better or complimentary solution to the killcord.
There may well be a practical additional system that has yet to be designed, however it'd have to be something that requires no input from the helmsman.

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As for rally drivers, they have a range of warning lights and gauges to monitor, and the only time they let go of the wheel is when they're about to impact a tree/wall/ditch/etc. I'm sure you glance at your gauges periodically, even at full chat.
Yes,that's usually when my spine attempts to exit through the top of my head.
Rally drivers have a co-driver.
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