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Old 01 February 2014, 09:07   #221
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the one person who's mind was change by it being a law may have been the husband or wife in this tragic incident.
I don't think you read the report. I don't think there was a "change of mind" it was an oversight. Oversights will still happen.
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Old 01 February 2014, 10:58   #222
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supposing every new engine came with a blue tooth (type) radio, ie short range

supposing every new engine came with a toggle that the short range radio could detect at , say 10m

supposing if the engine radio lost contact with the toggle

suppose that killed the engine

suppose the toggles cost 10 so all passengers could have one.

suppose this could be bypassed for 30 mnutes by flicking a switch on the engine

suppose the whole lot cost 30

why would this be bad?
Its bad enough sometimes getting a bluetooth connection between my tablet PC and phone, certainly would not want to rely on it to ensure my engine worked.

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for me I wear a kill cord, i also test it, you know what, it works !!
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I don't think you read the report. I don't think there was a "change of mind" it was an oversight. Oversights will still happen.
Yep, I did, my point still stands, the more that is done to bring the use of kill-cords to the fore, the less likely oversights will happen.

Most people now feel "naked" driving a car without a seatbelt and put them on through motor memory not though a thought process. Not because it the law but because "its what you do", but the "its what you do" has been brought around because it is the law. Yes we all can genuinely forget, but there are less people who forget to belt up now than before it was the law, even if it always made sense to use the belt.
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Old 01 February 2014, 12:44   #224
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It does need to be second nature to use the kill cord, like a seatbelt, I would feel really odd not wearing one.

However we all forget. I managed to forget to put a killcord on twice last year, luckily both times were personal boating not commercial, and I really beat myself up about it afterwards (especially as on one occasion it was another commercial skipper that pointed out politely that I had forgotten to attach it while using his boat :face palm: ). So I really feel for the lady in the Milly incident. She obviously made a point of wearing the killcord usually, but just forgot on that one instance, like all of us on here have done on occasions.

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If people can't use simple kill cords that we have now what chance have you got of them using hi tech ones?
I still see people not wearing seat belts in cars and it's been law for donkey's years now?
It's the same with mobile phones you see people using them while driving all the time
Why do people not believe that these laws were brought in after a lot of investigations proving that they do make things safer
Kill cords work well to help lessen the chances of injury so just use them!!!

Enough ranting from me I'm away to watch France beet Englandshire😃
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If people can't use simple kill cords that we have now what chance have you got of them using hi tech ones?
A day of tubing is my best example. I'm never behind the wheel for more than a few minutes at a time. Back and forth around the boat is the worst thing for kill cord use. I'm as good as I can be about it, more so after this milly accident, bit it's still a PITA. And electronic system would be better for that.

The electronic system is just one less excuse not to use it and would enable a freedom of movement around the boat.

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And how would that have prevented the "Milly" incident????
I never said it would,
But who is to say that "it's law" rather than "it's good practice" might, just might have made a difference in behaviour...and might just might, make others behave slightly differently, especially if there is a possibility of a fine for not doing it.
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IDEA!
Inexpensive, unintrusive, non eletronic, no possible human error factor.
What about a spring loaded throttle, I'm sure I have read about them somewhere on here.
For a while my throttle friction screw was a little on the slack side - it would creep back slowly over 5 mins or so. Ended up with a dead arm between Largs & Tignabruach as a result....



The other problem with a new fangled "no brainer" system is people will get out the habit of putting the chord on. Then someone will jump into a museum such as mine, and.....


E.G. - Automotive example - I learned to drive on an Austin A40. I could half the braking distance by nimbly crashing down the gears & using the engine braking. laughably it was almost impossiobnle to lock the wheels - No vac Assist or anything. then spent time with 3 cars with decent npon ABS brakes.

These days everyone is taught to E-brake by planting right foot on middle pedal & left foot on clutch & let the electronics get on with it.... I've now been driving with ABS for 15 years or so now (previous cars ABS was an optional Extra)

If I jumped into a "90s classic" car now - could I cadence brake like I used to?

Doubt it.
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I wonder how much of it is the fiddly little metal clip. Would something quicker and easier to use - a webbing leg strap with fastex type buckle - be an improvement?
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A day of tubing is my best example. I'm never behind the wheel for more than a few minutes at a time. Back and forth around the boat is the worst thing for kill cord use. I'm as good as I can be about it, more so after this milly accident, bit it's still a PITA. And electronic system would be better for that.
Looks like the perfect time to wear the cord full time, and unplug from the boat when you want to move around, rather than take off the cord?
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