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Old 01 February 2014, 06:28   #211
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I just drape it when swapping helms, but I like the idea of clipping it.
Yorkshire Logic wins out!
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Old 01 February 2014, 06:49   #212
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Mine is connected to my LJ permanently, as is my wife's, and we have a spare on the 2nd seat, not close enough to just "use" you need to unclip it before it will reach.
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Old 01 February 2014, 06:51   #213
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IDEA!
Inexpensive, unintrusive, non eletronic, no possible human error factor.
What about a spring loaded throttle, I'm sure I have read about them somewhere on here.
You have. Have you thought about how you'd helm a boat with one fitted?

Can't take your hand off the wheel
Can't take your hand off the throttle

Every time you hit a wave, your arm is going to either open or close the throttle a bit or a lot, as you can't maintain a "feather contact" with it. If you let go, the boat nosedives and your crew fall over. If you push it hard, you stuff or catch air and your crew fall over.

Oh, and you can't push a button on your plotter or VHF, can't turn on a switch, can't scratch your nose, wipe spray from your eyes....unless you stop the boat.

Or let go of the wheel! Hey - we can fix that - we'll put contacts on the wheel so the engine stops if you let go of the wheel!
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I just drape it when swapping helms, but I like the idea of clipping it.
Both excellent ideas. I did the clipping to the wheel for a while but found it tricky around launches and recoveries and pontoons. Maybe just me, I'm a bit clumsy.

I then fitted some velcro to the console BESIDE the wheel and put some on the killcord. When unclipped, one end was stuck to the console between the helm and the throttles - stood out a mile.
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Old 01 February 2014, 07:32   #215
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I thought you'd be out on the boat blasting up & down the Zummerzet levels
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Ok, I've kept totally out of this thread but can no longer resist throwing in my 2p worth.....

As the similarity has been drawn to seat belts why is that the legislation for compulsory wearing of seatbelt has had a huge effect on seatbelt wearing and now has a very high percentage of compliance, and yet everyone seems to be convinced legislation changes will have no effect on wearing of kill cords?
I believe a few weekends with some harbour masters handing out fines would very quickly get the word out and make a step change improvement to the number of people wearing them.
And finally what harm would it do to make it law? Even if it only makes 1 more person wear it and prevents 1 more tragedy like this happening.
I simply don't see what we have to lose by bringing the law in?
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As the similarity has been drawn to seat belts why is that the legislation for compulsory wearing of seatbelt has had a huge effect on seatbelt wearing and now has a very high percentage of compliance, and yet everyone seems to be convinced legislation changes will have no effect on wearing of kill cords?
do you think there would be such widespread compliance with seat belt laws if there were very few police officers in the UK and they were only found in "car parks"?
do you believe that there would be such compliance with road traffic laws in general if (1) vehicles were not readily identifiable with registration marks (2) registered keepers of vehicles were not required to identify the driver (3) there wasn't a system of licensing in place for drivers.

If you are in any doubt those things will all cost YOU money - and yet YOU already wear a kill cord. Meanwhile people who refuse or are nonchalant about wearing one - will probably avoid the places most likely to get into trouble - and avoid all the compliance costs!

In spite of this whilst there is 'widespread' compliance with seat belts there are still thousands of people prosecuted each year for not wearing seat belts. Often with the 'excuse' that they forgot...

...and still 1 person dies every day not wearing a seatbelt... ...compared to typically 1 or 2 in kill cord accidents each year. I would rather the government invested their resources (my taxes) in issues that will have an impact.

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Harbour masters don't hand out fines. Fines are issued by the courts. In a small number of special cases fixed penalties can be offered as alternatives to fines - but even harbour speeding penalties aren't normally eligible for this (perhaps due to rules of evidence, perhaps due to the issues above on identifying people, perhaps because HM's aren't really intended as a "police force" and mostly would prefer to manage through cooperation than sanctions).

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make a step change improvement to the number of people wearing them.
ask anyone living in a 30mph village on a fast road if it has a long term effect on speeding when the police have a purge - complacency soon comes back.

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And finally what harm would it do to make it law?
Well the points above probably cover that - but do you fancy legal costs if you think you've done nothing wrong? But in case you are in any doubt there is a whole other thread on the topic: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords? What do you think?

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Even if it only makes 1 more person wear it and prevents 1 more tragedy like this happening.
how would you quantify that? do you need a law to make you use a kill cord? did you read the report? was there anything in there which made you think there was consistent intentional kill cord negligence in this case - rather than a simple brief oversight? how would a law have prevented the oversight to use it on this particular occasion?
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Ok, I've kept totally out of this thread but can no longer resist throwing in my 2p worth.....

As the similarity has been drawn to seat belts why is that the legislation for compulsory wearing of seatbelt has had a huge effect on seatbelt wearing and now has a very high percentage of compliance, and yet everyone seems to be convinced legislation changes will have no effect on wearing of kill cords?
I believe a few weekends with some harbour masters handing out fines would very quickly get the word out and make a step change improvement to the number of people wearing them.
And finally what harm would it do to make it law? Even if it only makes 1 more person wear it and prevents 1 more tragedy like this happening.
I simply don't see what we have to lose by bringing the law in?
And how would that have prevented the "Milly" incident????
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And how would that have prevented the "Milly" incident????
the one person who's mind was change by it being a law may have been the husband or wife in this tragic incident.
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I believe a few weekends with some harbour masters handing out fines would very quickly get the word out and make a step change improvement to the number of people wearing them.
Been thinking about this, and have come to the conclusion that it would be mostly ribbers that would be fined, as us sportsboat users have decks and topsides, and you can't actually see if we're wearing one!
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