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Old 20 May 2013, 08:41   #101
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So. ... In summary. ...

Kill cords work. ..If they are worn correctly.

The common point of failure of the current system is human one.

So people should just wear them. ..simples. ...
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Old 20 May 2013, 08:53   #102
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Oh well, if nothing else I've at least given you all something to moan about. Funny thing is I thought the idea of a forum was to facilitate discussion. Over and out.
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So. ... In summary. ...

Kill cords work. ..If they are worn correctly.

The common point of failure of the current system is human one.

So people should just wear them. ..simples. ...
Sounds good to me. Again.
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Oh well, if nothing else I've at least given you all something to moan about. Funny thing is I thought the idea of a forum was to facilitate discussion. Over and out.
And discussion there has been. The forum also allows discussion by some who might not share your opinion.
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Old 20 May 2013, 10:04   #105
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A different technical approach and additional education approach are not mutually exclusive.

It seems you refuse to even contemplate that a technical improvement MAY be possible? Remarkable!

Your car driving analogy is not well thought through. We can all see the obvious distinctions between boats and cars.

I don't claim that my idea is perfect but it has some merits and yes, I would be willing to use it on a RIB. I think you'll find it is similar in concept to the watch keeping system installed on some commercial vessels to address/combat watchkeeper fatigue. The affirmation interval would have to be short (maybe 1 minute) but if it is done by programmable logic then (for example) the interval could be inversely proportional to throttle setting.
This idea along with the spring loaded foot throttle and deadmans handle are IMHO a complete waste of time. The last thing I want to be doing when manouvering to fish someone out of the water on Chi Bar when it kicks off, is to be resetting a button, together with the possibililty that it cuts out the motor at a crucial moment, endangering everyone.
A proximity sensor would, in my view be a step in the right direction, if it could be done without needing batteries.
The kill cord works well. If you choose not to use it then the Darwin principle will catch up with you at some point and possibly innocent bystanders. I do not believe it can be made idiot proof.
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And discussion there has been. The forum also allows discussion by some who might not share your opinion.
I think there's a fairly standard progression that's happened here:-
  • Put up an idea for public discussion
  • Discussion ensues
  • Assume that 'discussion' means everyone will agree and tell you what a top bloke you are
  • If the majority disagree with your idea, refuse to acknowledge you might be wrong
    (Note, from this point onwards, the following is almost inevitable)
  • Come up with more and more tenuous justification until the hole is so big it's impossible to get out of
  • Refer to 'thought police' or
  • Complain that your idea wasn't discussed properly because people disagreed with you
  • Say something that either sounds petulant or final, then leave discussion

Nobody is immune from having unworkable ideas or from voicing them and they shouldn't be censored.Neither should the replies.
We've all done it at some point and been told we're being silly/unrealistic/shot down (search back for my rather dumb idea of turning an Avon Redcrest into a sailing dinghy...)
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Old 20 May 2013, 10:44   #107
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I think there's a fairly standard progression that's happened here:-
  • Put up an idea for public discussion
  • Discussion ensues
  • Assume that 'discussion' means everyone will agree and tell you what a top bloke you are
  • If the majority disagree with your idea, refuse to acknowledge you might be wrong
    (Note, from this point onwards, the following is almost inevitable)
  • Come up with more and more tenuous justification until the hole is so big it's impossible to get out of
  • Refer to 'thought police' or
  • Complain that your idea wasn't discussed properly because people disagreed with you
  • Say something that either sounds petulant or final, then leave discussion

Nobody is immune from having unworkable ideas or from voicing them and they shouldn't be censored.Neither should the replies.
We've all done it at some point and been told we're being silly/unrealistic/shot down (search back for my rather dumb idea of turning an Avon Redcrest into a sailing dinghy...)
Actually, I thought you and I had a sensible exchaange on it. You pointed out flaws, I suggested some potential remedies thereto. You (rightly) indicated that it was becoming more and more complex. As I said at the outset, I was happy to be shot down if the idea was crap. What I object to is when someone suggests that an idea is irrelevant simply because the person putting it forward has 'limited' exposure to ribbing.

There's an old saying - Familiarity breeds contempt.
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Seems to me that most people are sheep and will invariably react to peer pressure or the common consensus. They do not like to go against the trend for fear of being ridiculed or bollocked. If there was a media campaign and signage reminding you to wear your killcord, so it becomes the norm, most people will obey. Maybe a push in that direction might help?
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What I object to is when someone suggests that an idea is irrelevant simply because the person putting it forward has 'limited' exposure to ribbing.
I've pretty much been ignoring this thread until now. I spoke my mind because it had degenerated into fantasy talk. Wheel grips, push buttons, alarms, dead man brakes, the whole nine yards - right up there with putting parachutes on planes in case the engines die.

I think these ideas are pants. I think they're pants because they'd be AWFUL to work with on the water. I'd HATE to have to endure them on my boat. They are conceived to prevent numpties from hurting themselves. This could also be achieved by keeping the numpties on the beach. I think that suggesting these "solutions" indicates a lack of experience rather than a lack of intelligence.

Please don't take my comments as a personal attack on you - they were directed at a wide panel of posters.
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Actually, I thought you and I had a sensible exchaange on it. You pointed out flaws, I suggested some potential remedies thereto. You (rightly) indicated that it was becoming more and more complex. As I said at the outset, I was happy to be shot down if the idea was crap. What I object to is when someone suggests that an idea is irrelevant simply because the person putting it forward has 'limited' exposure to ribbing.

There's an old saying - Familiarity breeds contempt.
I wasn't talking about you particularly and I was enjoying the discussion-though it did illustrate my point a bit up til you didn't properly flounce or lose your temper (that's what usually happens!)

For what it's worth, I did notice a bit of a correlation between the type of rib owned (which usually indicates the type of usage) and the opinion or ideas of the owner. The more' leisure orentated' the boat type, the more likely the owners seem to be to want something changed, or legislation.No comment on the amount of usage-I'm hardly qualified to comment as my Searider hasn't been used for 6 months because I've been spending every spare pound and minute working on the Ballistic.
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