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Old 28 March 2011, 07:51   #11
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Your thermal imaging would have come into it's own if you were on scene.
Good of you to make the effort fella.
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Old 28 March 2011, 08:02   #12
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36.5 knots in 20m viz is taking the p!ss no matter how good your radar is
Yes, as my previous post indicated, I couldn't agree more!
I wasn't trying to defend the bridge team's decision to not slow down further but I was trying to convey the point of over-reliance on electronic nav aids.
The increased confidence given by such aids coupled with the pressure of maintaining the service unfortunately leads to the wrong decision being made. In this case with obvious disastrous results.

What I will also say is that nowhere in the rules does it say to slow down to a prescribed 'set' speed whilst in fog or poor Viz. It simply says to reduce to a safe speed based on the conditions.
Now I can vouch that an Incat like the Vitesse can (by performing a 'crash stop') stop herself with incredible force throwing you clean of your feet.... Even from full speed. it may be partly based on this that the decision was made to not reduce speed further as 36 knots was wrongly deemed a 'safe' speed.

I have long argued for the need for more stringent 'risk assessments' to be performed and then justified to the authorities to maintain these vessels high speed craft certificate. It you thing of 2000tonnes of aluminium carrying upti 900 odd passengers literally flying along at nearly motorway speeds where not one of the passengers is strapped in..... Well you get the picture...

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Old 28 March 2011, 08:30   #13
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Your thermal imaging would have come into it's own if you were on scene.
Good of you to make the effort fella.
My unit would have limited capability but a more powerful commercial unit would be a great asset to the RNLI. The thing I still don't understand is why they haven't got AIS transponders?

With 2 RNLI boats being tasked, there was almost constant radio traffic with both boats reporting current lat/long positions, headings and speed back to Jersey CG. If they had AIS then Jersey would have all that, up to date and be able to visualise it on their screen.
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unfortunately one dead according to this-

http://www.channelonline.tv/channelo....asp?ID=493614

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Very sad, that's 2 dead in these waters in the space of a couple of weeks
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36.5 knots in 20m viz is taking the p!ss no matter how good your radar is
Fully agree. And with Simon too, the schedules that they try and keep to are crazy. In summer, the rade at St Malo is chocka with pleasure boats and every man and his dog is out on the water, not only does the Condor come charging through at 30knts+ (bear in mind the rade is <400m wide) but the wash it creates is immense and hugely dangerous to all the small canoes etc that are out on a summers day. The wake it creates causes a huge amount of issues for the local sailing clubs and for 20+ mins each time one arrives/departs there is carnage on all the beaches nearby.

We have all seen the way they charge around, they will make their 35knts whatever the conditions and regardless of fog.

Hat off to you Matt for making the effort.
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Very sad, that's 2 dead in these waters in the space of a couple of weeks
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According to the AIS log, the Vitesse was southbound at the time and doing 9kts in advance of the collision. Perhaps not so cavalier after all.
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According to the AIS log, the Vitesse was southbound at the time and doing 9kts in advance of the collision. Perhaps not so cavalier after all.
I read 36.6kn 16 2011-03-28 06:40
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There's clearly something odd about the AIS log, as I've got 9.4kts 0658 at 191deg
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