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Old 17 May 2004, 10:44   #1
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Hi how much should I insure this for then?

Hi how much should I insure this for then?
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Old 17 May 2004, 10:52   #2
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Old 17 May 2004, 11:58   #3
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Hi how much should I insure this for then?
What value would adequately compensate you for it's total loss?

Or... how much did you pay for it? If you paid only £6k for the boat but feel that it's "worth" £8k then you're wasting your premium stating an £8k valuation. Unless you forge a receipt for £8k. Guess what documents the insurance company might want to see if it were lost/stolen??

Looks very smart... is that a recent picture?
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Nick, nice rib those Ospreys and they don't come on the market very often plus they are getting expensive now. Insure it and its equipment (and everything you will add to it) for its replacement value. How about £8k ?

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What value would adequately compensate you for it's total loss?

Or... how much did you pay for it? If you paid only £6k for the boat but feel that it's "worth" £8k then you're wasting your premium stating an £8k valuation. Unless you forge a receipt for £8k. Guess what documents the insurance company might want to see if it were lost/stolen??

Looks very smart... is that a recent picture?
I want to know that it would cost to replace it!
I.E. the insurance value.
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I would check with your insurance company and see how much they will insure it for.

They will often only pay out what you can prove you paid for it, never mind what it may really be "worth". They will happily accept a premium based on a higher valuation though!

This can be a problem with ex-demo boats or refurb projects, but a good [insurance] broker ought to be able to give you an agreed value.

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I would check with your insurance company and see how much they will insure it for.

They will often only pay out what you can prove you paid for it, never mind what it may really be "worth". They will happily accept a premium based on a higher valuation though!

This can be a problem with ex-demo boats or refurb projects, but a good broker ought to be able to give you an agreed value.

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So if I paid £2000 when I should insure it for £2000!
When in the real world it will cost me £8500 to replace!
As I say what would I have to pay for this boat should I have to replace it!
Not what did I pay for it, I know that & would not be able to get anther at that price.
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Get a marine dealer to do a valuation, and make sure the broker is aware that this is the value to which you are insuring it.

My boat was a 'project' hence i did exactly this. I'd be hard pushed to prove i spent £12k on it but it's worth more than that! What is the serial number you quite? I was told by Osprey they did not use these 'till CE marking in late 1999. My hull is an early 1999 apparently.
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What it will cost to replace and what to insure it for are not necessarily the same thing -- although I agree that they should be!

If you think that the boat is worth more than can prove you paid for it, then you should get the insurer to agree a value.

It may possibly cost you £8,000 to replace but there is no point paying the premium on £8,000 if it turns out that the insurer will only give you £2,000 for a total loss . . .

What it would cost to replace may not be the same as what you could sell it for either, but that's likely to be the nearest measure. I would guess at £6,000 to £7,000 but any valuation of a ten year old RIB without seeing it can be no more than a wild guess.

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What is the serial number you quite? I was told by Osprey they did not use these 'till CE marking in late 1999. My hull is an early 1999 apparently.
Osprey really lost the plot with serial numbers. The 70** was originally going to be used to designate 7m Vipers but they lost it and some boats went out without even having numbers. Early hardnose boats had the DOM written on the tubes in the bow area by Eurocraft which can help.

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How about late soft nose boats which might help me a bit more...
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Daniel the guy you need is Mike Williamson. He and his late father Ralph used to mould the hulls for Osprey or Offshore Components to use the proper business name. Mike and Ralph always did the design and production runs and kept the royalities / design rights. I don't know what happended to Mike when Northern Diver sold the rib part of there business to concentrate on diving. You could have a chat with Ian at Northern diver, although he wasn't directly involved in the rib part of the business he has been part of the Northern Diver Group from the early days so is a wealth of knowledge, or even try the boss Mike Armitage.

I recently tracked down the XR 18 and 20 moulds which have been sold to a Yorkshire company called Reiver who now make a modified version with full tubes.

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Hi well called up Mardon & yes I can up the value but they will only pay out what the boat is worth!
So I have gone with Boat at £8,500 may be a bit rich but made very little difference to the premium (the value was at £7000)
I can leave it on a tidal marring without chaining it up & I have also added a 2.65 Yam SIB + a Yamaha Malta fouled at £600!
Which gave me a total to pay of £241.16 not bad me thinks.
I sill think that the insurance company will knock me down on the replacement cost but if they knocked me from £7,000 I would be hard pushed to replace Like with like!
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