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Old 20 December 2005, 16:15   #21
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My Uncle was dying of cancer and his was given 3 months to live by his Doctor a young fitness fanatic. 2 weeks later my Uncle went to his Doctor's funeral who died of brain damage. The Doctor was riding his push bike at night and rode into the back of an unlit transit parked on the road. The Doc went in head first over the handle bars and his cycle helmet failed to save him cos he was going kwite kwiklee! So I wouldn't reckon one for a high speed accident on a one ton boat travelling at thirty knots plus

When you throw yourself off your boat into the water if your lucky you will do just that and apart from the risk of breaking your neck you won't hurt your head too much. The problem is when you collect something on the way out of the boat or fail to leave the boat.n you are looking at some possible serious impact and consequent injury to yourself. ( I unfortunately have first hand experience of this when I damaged my knee as it landed on and snapped the throttle) I couldn't walk at all for about 10 days and it took 5 months to repair! My overiding thought however was thank fkk it wasn't my eye that hit the throttle! Although an eye patch might look Kinda cool it's inconvenient

I have also hit the console with my head twice , both times when I was looking at a GPS. Firt time high speed big sea with a helmet on didn't feel a thing. Second time not such a big sea, no helmet didn't feel a thing ( I had taken the precaution of taking an anaesthetic befor the trip ) but lost a crown. So for me it is either a full face helmet or nothing!
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Old 20 December 2005, 20:11   #22
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RW thanks for the feedback.
Yep it rains here. We saw some 6 months ago and rumour has it that could rain again just after Christmas
I do wear a nice pair of amber ski goggles that are great for misty weather.Seem to really help in poor visibility and very comfortable.
So think Santa's budget can extend to the $40.00 to try out the helmet.Think the Gath and Gecko run a bit pricier!
Have to admit the Gecko setup is nice but have to weigh it against the use it will get. Also, as most of our season is very mild,I think the ventilation in the helmet will help.
Damn, doesn't come in orange though
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Old 21 December 2005, 04:08   #23
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D S Developments have just launched a comms unit to fit the Gath helmet, I have yet to try it out.

Hope that helps a bit

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Is it as expensive as all of their other stuff or more reasonably priced?
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Old 21 December 2005, 04:16   #24
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Whilst we all work to a budget, you can't put a price on safety!
The Gecko or Gath might cost you more but you will save in the long run.

God forbid you have a Rouge type trip the cost for the medical bill will out way the cost of the Helmet.

Do not be tempted to use a motor cycle helmet or simular.
These are not designed for marine use and are built for different impacts etc.
The main one is that a marine helemt is designed to deal with bucketing.
This is the effect that wter has as it rushes into the helmet if you enter the water at speed.
The marine helmet chin straps and visor should give way under the stress of bucketing, a motor cycle helmet won't.

The result? broken neck...death!!!

Just thought I would lighten then the mood

Would aslo agree that the helmet your looking at it not designed for high speed impacts so would offer no protection at all if you fall out of you boat at any speed or had a high speed impact with the boat itself.


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Dal

Whilst we all work to a budget, you can't put a price on safety!
The Gecko or Gath might cost you more but you will save in the long run.

God forbid you have a Rouge type trip the cost for the medical bill will out way the cost of the Helmet.

Do not be tempted to use a motor cycle helmet or simular.
These are not designed for marine use and are built for different impacts etc.
The main one is that a marine helemt is designed to deal with bucketing.
This is the effect that wter has as it rushes into the helmet if you enter the water at speed.
The marine helmet chin straps and visor should give way under the stress of bucketing, a motor cycle helmet won't.

The result? broken neck...death!!!

Just thought I would lighten then the mood

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Not sure if that was addressed to me as well, but I was asking about the DS gear not the helmets - we use Gecko full face in the race boat, although there are rumours that we won't be next season!
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No John not at you.

Just general comments on helmets.
Stuff that most don't think about or know about.
I have only picked it up over the last year or so from working closely with Gecko and Comunica

The D S helmets are the Gecko MK10.

So can you tell us what they are planning for next year or is that hush hush?

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No John not at you.

Just general comments on helmets.
Stuff that most don't think about or know about.
I have only picked it up over the last year or so from working closely with Gecko and Comunica

The D S helmets are the Gecko MK10.

So can you tell us what they are planning for next year or is that hush hush?

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When we were in Cowes this year, I had some old fart of a scrutineer make me sign a disclaimer before I went out on the Sunday - I could knock my head off any other day!

Since then I have been told that the RYA are going to ban them and that Gecko are out of business ............ I havn't got round to checking any of this out so it's all hearsay and rumour at this stage ........... time will tell!

By the way I like the Geckos, they are lighter than a motorbike helmet, and work just as well when you stuff it at 60mph!
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Since then I have been told that the RYA are going to ban them and that Gecko are out of business ............ I havn't got round to checking any of this out so it's all hearsay and rumour at this stage ........... time will tell!
Check out the Safety Officer's Report in the 'Committee Meeting Minutes' on page 4 of the latest issue of Riblines - BS6658A standard is to be mandatory next year (ie. motorcycle standard). HTH.
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Check out the Safety Officer's Report in the 'Committee Meeting Minutes' on page 4 of the latest issue of Riblines - BS6658A standard is to be mandatory next year (ie. motorcycle standard). HTH.
For me this would be a major safety worry re bucketing.
Hell I don't race so does not effect me really.

I would suggest all of you that do raise some major safety concerns.

This smacks of people who don't know their subject very well!!!

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Jon, I think the decision to change the requirement was made by the RYA, following the K class accident (although not necessarily because of that accident) and subsequent recommendations made in the MAIB report.

I guess the ideal scenario would be that Gecko (or any helmet manufacturer) designed a helmet which combined the anti-bucket properties of a Gecko/marine helmet with BS6658A. Don't know enough about the topic to know if that's possible though!
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