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Old 23 June 2003, 19:36   #21
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CH, that's the most rational thing I've ever heard you say!

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Old 23 June 2003, 22:31   #22
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My opinion

As Charles has asked, here is my 2p's worth;
For most Ribs a soft nose is better, I agree with Tony Lee Elliot, although I think he goes over the top with the webbing straps (but the big Flatacrafts have a long nose overhanging the hull, which gives a bigger lever to rip the tubes off in the event of a stuff.)
One of the main reasons to put tubes round a boat is to give a softer ride, and if you remove this property around the bow, then if you stuff you lose all the shock absorbing qualities (Instruments popping out of consoles, just think of all the other places in the boat which are suffering similar stresses, including you)
As others have pointed out in this thread, a well fixed soft nose should not come adrift in the normal course of events, In three of the failures I have seen, the tubes have come off because the tubes have been fixed too rigidly and therefore not been able to flex or deform enough and the stress is beyond the strentgh of the hypalon bonding strip. Once it starts tearing under the nose the rip can continue along the length of the boat. In these 3 cases 2 have been Ribs with a cabin, and one had a large bow locker which meant the tubes were trapped top and bottom. Other failures I have seen have been caused by bad workmanship or design (sharp edged flanges, poor gluing, bonding strips stretched too tight etc)

So for a cabin rib where the tubes are bonded tight to the cabin top a hard nose is probably appropriate. Alan Priddys rib had a flexible joint between the tubes and the cabin top if I remember rightly.

I was in a rib off Cape Wrath when we had an almighty stuff. Normaly you have time to duck behind the console to avoid the worst of the wave about to hit you , but this time it happened so suddenly I was still loking at the front of the boat as the bows buried themselves in the back of the wave. I could hardly believe what I saw, the soft nose turned virtualy inside out and then popped back into shape as the bows rose again, There was no damage at all to the tubes or bonding strips, and the shock imparted to the boat (and the crew) must have been dramaticaly reduced.

As for Hot Lemon 2's first hard nose which got smashed off during the 98 round Scotland race , well it was probably made too light, The next, stronger version has never suffered nor have similar noses fitted to subsequent boats. If you see how strong and heavy a hard nose has to be to survive it makes you realise just how tough a well fitted soft nose is.
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Absolutely CH absolutely.
Is a pity that not many people know it

Well said!!
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I think it's fairly obvious what I prefer!
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When a boat looks that good who needs tubes!!!
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Thanks Nick, for your expert opinion.
To summarise then, a well designed rib with correctly attached tubes and attention to build quality should pose no problems with a soft bow nose, even in the event of a heavy 'stuffing' (No Keith, we are not talking about stuffing a turkey!! ) If one were to have a cabin rib or heavier locker up front it would be advisable to insist on a hard nose, CH is maybe the exception as well as one or two others. Maybe it would be a worthwhile exercise discussing this with your manufacturer when ordering and 'speccing' your new rib.
Manos, you can stop looking for an answer now......
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I have to say that we wont buy a boat with a soft nose again, When you stuff a boat with a soft nose the boat normall goes from 30 knots to Zero very quickly which can cause you to go flying out of the boat or through the console etc, when you stuff a boat with a hard nose although obviously you lose speed the boat keeps going and you normall end up staying in it. Never had any problems stuffing a boat with a hard nose and when we had a humber we tore the tubes of twice. No comparison.

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Old 24 June 2003, 06:07   #27
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Hi Charles,
Good thread. I am looking to find a cabin RIB (not right now as will keep the Falcon for the next 3 years or so) as the family gets older and they all want more comforts on a boat.
I have looked at some but nothing really yet (except of 1 or two) has interested me. Need something with 4 berths, proper shower and toilet, galley, saloon and plenty of outside space and with air con configuration.
My mates in SAfrica say that they will produce one 9-10 mtr cabin RIB in the next 2 years or so (is on design stage right now) and will have a look at that too.
The boat that I looked from close and it looks REALLY NICE with all comforts but EXPENSSIVE and also do not know anything about how it performs in the water is the Italian made SOLEMAR 10 mtr.
Is VERY NICE inside (4 berths in 2 cabin, and all other staff) and you can have 2in inboards or outboards, has lots of space outside and lots of space inside with an Italian flare in design. But have not been onboard yet in the sea and everything else construction wise is a 'mystery' still. Guess I have plenty of time!!
Any way good luck with your boat!!
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Willem De Vries Lentsch based in the Netherlands build life-boats for the Dutch Lifeboat Institution and also build serious leisure cabin-ribs. Unfortunately their web-site is not very good, actually completely useless. Try a google search and see what you come up with.
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Nice boats but this is like what I have in mind
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Upss sorry the above is not the 27 but the 40+ft they do.
The 27 is like this and these are the specs fresh from Italy:

Solemar Oceanic 27 : 2 cabine, 4 posti letto, 2 prendisoli, divano

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Lunghezza f.t : mt 8.50
Lunghezza omologazione : mt 7.48
Larghezza f.t. : mt 3.25
Diametro tubolari : mt 0.62
Compartimenti stagni : 6
Peso : Kg 1.300
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Potenza max : Kw 210 hp 285
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