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Old 10 June 2007, 12:42   #31
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Unfortunately the environmentalists seem to do more harm than good these days.

Swansea marina USED to have about 30 pairs of swans - a lovely sight. Then they needed to dredge the marina. They weren't allowed to dump the rubbish out at sea(which is a big place) so they were told to spread the stuff around the rest of the marina!!! The water was in a disgusting state and 2 yrs later the swans still haven't come back. If it had been dumped at sea the stuff would have been rapidly dispersed.

I am currently in a fight with the local authority over a local waste incenerator which has made me quite ill for the last year or so - everyone around here seems to have a constant sore throat - of course it is far better to burn the waste and pump the crap into the air isn't it........

The latest madness is composting you waste to reduce the amount going into landfill - and what exactly happens to waste matter when ti gets into the landfill - it composts anyway!!!
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Old 10 June 2007, 12:57   #32
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The difference is that compostable waste chucked into land fill decomposes in an oxygen depleted environment and thus creates methane the top contributer to global warming. When it composts in your garden it decomposes in an oxygen rich environment and the methane is not created. The other benefit is you get something to spread on your plants as well.
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Old 10 June 2007, 13:04   #33
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Unfortunately the environmentalists seem to do more harm than good these days.

The latest madness is composting you waste to reduce the amount going into landfill - and what exactly happens to waste matter when ti gets into the landfill - it composts anyway!!!
Cod - you do realise you are doing exactly what Greenpeace wanted? Giving publicity to their "issues" and "discussing" the environment. The ribs were never really likely to change the world directly.

The difference between composting and bulk landfill is that when you compost (either at home or on an industrial scale) the end product can be reused, and assuming reasonable selection criteria have been used on what goes into the bin it will all be useable. When you landfill, half of the stuff does not biodegrade in a sensible timescale (nappies, carrier bags, tin cans, milk bottles etc) so the bit which does degrade is "contaminated" and unusable.

By separating waste into compostable waste and non compostable waste - the stuff which decomposes quickly avoids going in the landfil leaving more space for the stuff which won't decompose. Landfill sites are generally of little commercial, developmental or agricultural value once full - so it makes sense to both minimise the number/scale of them and make best possible use of them.
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Old 10 June 2007, 13:32   #34
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The difference is that compostable waste chucked into land fill decomposes in an oxygen depleted environment and thus creates methane the top contributer to global warming. When it composts in your garden it decomposes in an oxygen rich environment and the methane is not created. The other benefit is you get something to spread on your plants as well.
It is quite possible to draw the methane off and use it for power.
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By separating waste into compostable waste and non compostable waste - the stuff which decomposes quickly avoids going in the landfil leaving more space for the stuff which won't decompose. Landfill sites are generally of little commercial, developmental or agricultural value once full - so it makes sense to both minimise the number/scale of them and make best possible use of them.
I live about 1000yds from an old landfill site - last used about 12 years ago. It is all overgrown and very pleasant - no nasty smells or anything. Many people walk their dogs there and it is a wildlife haven. The incinerator on the other hand is making everyone's lives a misery!!!
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And whilst on the subject did anyone see that programme about what happens to the rubbish people so carefully seperate in some areas of London? The rubbish was all mixed back together again and stuffed into shipping containers to be sent to the Far East. It then ended up on a huge stinking tip. There is a shanty town around this tip and the people make a living rummaging about in the rubbish. I suppose it really is recycling though!!!
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I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you. I am all for compaigning to save the environment and actually work very hard to ensure that my company and home life is as 'green' as it possibly can be.

However, I believe you lead by example. You wouldn't pay any attention to an MP talking about saving the environment if they drive everywhere in a big fuel-guzzling car - what example are they setting. Don't do as I do, do as I say - I don't think so.

I'm not disagreeing with what they are trying to achieve - I just don't think that that was the way to achieve it.

I agree that you have to lead by example but saying that environmental campaigners are hypocrites for using fossil fuels is madness....like saying that poverty campaigners are hypocrites for living in big houses or that the WWF cant run its global work using planes, cars etc.

My girlfriend works for a large charitable organisation which monitors global warming by plankton survey and obviously they need big ships to do that. That doesn't make their work any less valuable or credible.

And besides, greenhouse gases are not the only environmental campaign issue. Whilst there are things that Greenpeace and others do that I dont agree with, overall I believe they are a laudable organisation with excellent goals. As boat owners we should be the most vociferous about the protection of our marine environment unless we see it as our playground and dumping ground like so many water users.....coming out of Fowey harbour this morning, you should've seen the amount of crap in the water lobbed there by boat owners.

As for the comments on here regarding all "environmentalists making things worse" backed up by an anecdote about some unfortunate swans....well that doesn't even deserve a reply.
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Maybe when start harrassing the Russians and the Chinese I will change my mind - oh and stop chucking windmills everywhere!!!
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Don't know why - 2 of them deserve all they get......

If there's anyone I hate more than Greenpeace it's the people who are turning the West into a Police state!!!
How in the world does marking off and strictly enforcing a temporary no-go zone so that heads of the 8 most powerful nations in the world can hold a sumit without being assassinated, turn the West into a police state???

Oh boy I SIBbing over the weekend and miss all this good stuff! Where to start.
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Whatever you think of Seashepherd, Greenpeace, FOTE, they do a load of good protecting the environment that we as boaters enjoy everyday so give them a break!
Lovely. What other terrorist organizations do you believe to 'do a load of good' ?

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