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Old 27 July 2007, 18:06   #11
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Yes, France is keeping their red diesel. It is used to heat many French homes, so they could not really do without it. In fact you can even buy it at the pump at the local service station......obviously you are not allowed to put it into your car fuel tank......!!

I use it to heat the house and to power/fuel my mower which runs on diesel. It is 0.2% sulphur as opposed to 0.05% for normal road DERV. Cetane index and number are also lower than for road DERV so I wouldn't use it for my diesel car, even if I was tempted....!

UK homes that are heated by oil are in fact using kerosene, not diesel. This is historically due to Aga's etc. that required a lighter viscosity oil than diesel. But....it costs more as you're competing with Ryanair, Easyjet, etc...!
Will you still be allowed to use Red Diesel in a boat in France?
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Old 28 July 2007, 02:30   #12
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As far as I know yes, but I'm no authority on French government policy!

I suppose if the UK is phasing out red diesel for boats, then as per the European thing, then France may be obliged to do the same.

But the French do not accept this sort of thing lightly...! I have a hard time imagining them giving up such a big tax break.

And as for the fishing industry.....forget it!

(Who already get EXTRA tax breaks on top of normal red diesel!)
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As far as I know yes, but I'm no authority on French government policy!

I suppose if the UK is phasing out red diesel for boats, then as per the European thing, then France may be obliged to do the same.

But the French do not accept this sort of thing lightly...! I have a hard time imagining them giving up such a big tax break.

And as for the fishing industry.....forget it!

(Who already get EXTRA tax breaks on top of normal red diesel!)
commercial users will still get red diesel anyway
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Most European countries just ignores any laws they don't like. Of course Gordon Blair and his minions will not only take up the law but plaster a load of their own legislation on top!!!
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Petrol at the moment 96p a litre but if legislation of red petrol gets through the ministry we could see around 65p a litre

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commercial users will still get red diesel anyway
Will they? Do you have a reference for this?

I haven't found anything to say whether commercial users will still have red diesel, or if they will have to use white and claim the duty back (as they do with petrol).

It won't make any difference to the price that leisure users pay, but it could make a big difference to the availability of fuel.

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67p pr litre and 51p for diesel.
Hope this helps..........
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Petrol 49p per litre & 47p per litre for diesel.
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Red diesel update from Government

Following talks between leisure boat representative bodies and HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) yesterday (26 July) it looks possible that changes in the pricing of marine diesel will not have an adverse affect on its availability to recreational boaters.

HMRC have prepared a number of options for the implementation of the new regime for duty payments on red diesel used by private recreational craft. According to officials, its preferred option is to retain the red diesel pumps for both recreational boaters and commercial operators to use. Recreational boaters will have to pay the full duty rate. Commercial operators will continue to get the current reduced and exempt rates of duty.

Speaking today Neil Northmore, RYA Government Affairs Adviser said: "This is good news for recreational boating. HMRC have taken on board all the key issues that we presented to them including tank cleaning, availability and safety issues, and have incorporated them into the proposed options. Their preferred option takes direct account of the concerns that we have voiced over availability".

Customs officials confirmed they would be launching a consultation document week commencing 30 July.

Members of the public, boating organisations and the marine industry will be invited to make their comments.

A link will be set up on the RYA website to the Government's site once the consultation has opened.

The consultation will give respondents until the end of October to provide feedback on a number of options that Government is considering to implement the decision. HMRC will then develop legislation, based on a preferred option, in order to implement the decision by 1 November 2008, as announced in this year's Budget Statement.

Speaking today, the BMF's Executive Director, Howard Pridding said: "It is obvious from yesterday's meeting that Customs Officials have put in a lot of hard work over recent months to develop workable options for implementation.

"They appear to have listened hard to the concerns that have been put forward by the BMF, RYA and our partner representatives of the industry and boat user. I am confident that when we see the consultation document next week that it will contain options that will look to minimise the impact and potential for financial burden on the industry".

The RYA and BMF (British Marine Federation) have asked for a full explanation as to why recreational boaters must pay the full road duty rate for marine diesel and HMRC have agreed to provide this.
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My God common sense at last from the government??? Maybe they were speaking the truth when they said they didn't want this brought in.

I wonder how easy it will be to tell which bit of red diesel is which...........
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