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Old 14 September 2009, 06:34   #11
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I think what people are getting at is that they went out when a gale was forecast and with children on board.
One RIB did lose contact with the other and didn't contact the CG, how did he know what had happened to the other RIB?
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Old 14 September 2009, 06:37   #12
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yes OK fair enough.

they should have both had bloody VHF's. MMSI's are also great for this kind of thing.

Plus, children (u 16?) prehaps also fair enough.

Having said all of this, i found out yesterday my fixed VHF set is not Transmitting, and i hadn't done a radio check (for ages) proves that the people you hear "radio check please" all the time have the right idea.
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Old 14 September 2009, 07:11   #13
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Hi Dan,




I accept that a channel crossing where you guys are is no big thing as you can see your'e destination (on a good day) so getting lost would be difficult. Also on those boats it should be a quick 30 minute journey.

I can also see that setting out with a gale warning in place could be a good test of skills, balls and boat. Doing it with people on board that cant assess the risks (kids) is an act of stupidity.

The contract I've just been on we were limited to a force 8 any more than that and we could run for cover. You get some big holes in the water on an 8
and whilst we all think that's fun cos were all very macho boat drivers in reality it's usually wet and cold and scary especially for the passengers and fatiguing for the driver.

The lack of comms is an obvious SNAFU and most certainly not an indicator of intellect.

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All that is very true.

However, an article was wrote about an incident that wasn't actually an incident at all. I'd like to add that we are currently writing pages about this non-event as well

They were probably going to make it back without serious incident from what I can understand from the article.
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Old 14 September 2009, 09:28   #15
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more importantly, the following people wasted their time and effort:

Dover Coastguard
A concerned lady
Langdon Coastguard rescue team
Dover RNLI lifeboat
Coastguard spotter plane based at Manston
The Coastguard Tug Anglian Monarch
Dover Harbour board police
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Old 14 September 2009, 10:04   #16
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more importantly, the following people wasted their time and effort:

Dover Coastguard
A concerned lady
Langdon Coastguard rescue team
Dover RNLI lifeboat
Coastguard spotter plane based at Manston
The Coastguard Tug Anglian Monarch
Dover Harbour board police
a motor tanker
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True but if something had happened it wouldn't be a wasted effort.
Buggered if you do, buggered if you don't.
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more importantly, the following people wasted their time and effort:

Dover Coastguard (*)
A concerned lady (**)
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(*) This is good practice for them / made them feel valued / important for a little while [chose option depending on personality type]. If their paid then they did their job (with a lower level of "false incidents" then we could cut the number of staff and they would be on the dole); if they are volunteers no one is making them do it and they presumably accept that a fair proportion of call outs will be to non-immediately-life-threatening situations.

(**) Surely not really a waste of time - if your spouse calls you with a concern/problem and you relay that to the CG?

(***) A couple of VHF calls - presumably broke up the boredom of watchkeeping.

(****) Is it a waste of time - if it reinforces the need for appropriate planning / precautions / equipment? If you already do/have all this in place then it helps you feel that little bit better/smugger about your boating - which can't be a bad thing!
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All that is very true.

However, an article was wrote about an incident that wasn't actually an incident at all. I'd like to add that we are currently writing pages about this non-event as well

They were probably going to make it back without serious incident from what I can understand from the article.
They had set out in company, they presumably planned to retain visual contact, they had lost that contact - and seemed to have no way of communicating between the two boats to ensure all was well. There is a decision to be made at that point, turn your boat and try to find your friend to rejoin them and cruise back in - or press on in the hope that your friend is doing the same. Yes a non-incident but I can understand how it might not feel like that to anyone involved at the time.
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more importantly, the following people wasted their time and effort:

Dover Coastguard
A concerned lady
Langdon Coastguard rescue team
Dover RNLI lifeboat
Coastguard spotter plane based at Manston
The Coastguard Tug Anglian Monarch
Dover Harbour board police
a motor tanker
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But - as has been said many times before, including on this forum - just about everyone on this list would far rather have been called out (I'm talking about those who were actively involved, not those who choose to discuss the event afterwards) and found they weren't needed than not have been called when they were.

In my opinion, the lady did exactly the right thing in calling the Coastguard, and the Coastguard did exactly the right thing in calling in assets to make sure that everything was OK.
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But - as has been said many times before, including on this forum - just about everyone on this list would far rather have been called out (I'm talking about those who were actively involved, not those who choose to discuss the event afterwards) and found they weren't needed than not have been called when they were.

In my opinion, the lady did exactly the right thing in calling the Coastguard, and the Coastguard did exactly the right thing in calling in assets to make sure that everything was OK.
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