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Old 21 March 2005, 15:10   #1
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Fleet review

Perhaps I am missing the point with regard to the ribs required for the above event. But why have rules for setting up commercial rib operations (council/MCA) when the QHM just changes everything and says you only need a PB Level 2 and no license to use your boat for a one off event?

Everyone would be up in arms if someone was running a boat that was not licensed and had no qualifications in the Solent. Yet we have people who have proved only recently what a level 2 qualification can do, no disrespect to those involved and they where brave enough to own up, but you can get a level 2 from age 8 (under an adult until 16). Do we think that one of the biggest water events in years is the right time to change the rules and allow very inexperienced drivers and there boats on the water. Have there boats been expected to the council/MCA standards? If not, why not.

I had to got through all the rules and regs to get where I am as did all other commercial operators, so why should up to 100 ribs be allowed to work just because its for the fleet review.

I think this is an accident waiting to happen and cannot be right.
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Old 21 March 2005, 15:13   #2
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I think you will find that as the boats are operating in a marshalling capacity and not as charter/passenger/fare paying boats that the level of qualification can be decided by the organisor. After all it is the QUEENS Harbour Master
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Old 21 March 2005, 15:29   #3
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You are working for QHM Portsmouth and acting under a warrant
They are working as they will be paid in kind (fuel etc) and it does not matter if it is the QHM. But you are happy that the QHM says it is ok, so it must be! So it does not matter that they are to marshall a small event like a fleet review! Won't be much going on. PB2 are you mad.
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As an aside, I thought the lower age limit for a pb2 was 12, and 8 was for pb1..
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Hi Stuart

I agree with what you are saying and have made this known to the organisers. I myself was one of the first people asked to do the event but this was asked last July. As you no I have been through the correct channels and am a commercial Skipper. While I accept alot of people may be capable of handling their boats it does become a different issue when surrounded by approx 10,000 spectator boats.

With regards to the MCA I hate to disagree with you but are these boats taking fair paying passengers and are they operating as safety boats ?

I have been briefed by the person organising the RIBS that the qualified people ie, Advanced comercial skippers will be responsible for a group of boats in a certain area.

I think the danger could be more to the charter boats due to the potententail liablity with all of the spectator boats, I can see many colisions happening. I myself am not planning on doing any charters for this reason. Cant afford to have an claim against me.

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Thanks Tim.. You gonna be marshalling?
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Do we think that one of the biggest water events in years is the right time to change the rules and allow very inexperienced drivers and there boats on the water. Have there boats been expected to the council/MCA standards? If not, why not.
Firstly you are making a gross assumption that every one of the hundred boats is going to be manned by "Very inexperienced drivers".

What would be the cost to have 100 charter ribs and their skippers out for 4 days on the water. Add that lot together and there would be no fleet review.

I don't like answering post like this because it seems to be pandering to the latest trend for antagonistic threads. If you have a problem raise it with the QHM and Richard who is organisiong the boats, and then come back to us with their take on the matter.
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Thanks Tim.. You gonna be marshalling?
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Hi Simon,
They are not taking fare paying passengers but by being employed by the QHM as a marshal I, (imho) think this would classify as being part of the safety team as a safety boat. Yes.
So because a group of say 10 boats has a commercial skipper looking after them they will be fine and the rules don't count?

tcwozere, you’re right sorry, was trying to make a point
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