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Old 23 March 2005, 09:42   #51
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....... Commercial skipper normally have the hours at the helm............
But not necessarily
SCM is saying that because he had gone through the expense of getting a commercial ticket he is more capable than someone who hasnít
As you say it all comes down to experience and a level of natural ability. Des
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Old 23 March 2005, 17:38   #52
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I think that one thing that is really worrying about this thread is how little faith SCM appears to have in the PB2 course and as a way of plugging his business it strikes me as a bit of an own goal
1. My point at the start of this thread was that a level 2 certificate is, imho not the right quailification for marsherling an event like the fleet review. Why do i say this ? beacuse i know very well what is involved in a L2 course not that i have little faith in the course. I have been involved with the RYA scheme in every discipline for over twenty years and if i did not belive it was of any use then i would not be involved.

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2. There will be people that are not even quialified that are better drivers out there, as there will be those that are very well quilified who can not drive To drive a commercial Coded rib these days now requires that you have to do a seperate exam with a trainer, after you have done the advanced course. This is so the powerboat scheme aligns itself more with the other disciplines,ie Yachtmaster etc. Or you drive a council liscensed boat which requires you to have a boatmans license. My whole point is that to get to this level you will have had to jump through a few hoops and should have a bit of experiance. It has nothing to do with expense of getting the tickets it the time and training that you have to do to get there

3. I make no secret of what i do and will gain nothing from this thread as i already have a booking for the day I just voiced my opionion as i felt i could do and if it has made some people think about at least there ability and there insurance then i have achieved something. Have a lovley day
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To drive a commercial Coded rib these days now requires that you have to do a seperate exam with a trainer, after you have done the advanced course.
Scm, this new rule has only just been introduced hasn't it? So only a handful of new and less experienced charter skippers will have achieved their ticket in this way. Most will have achieved theirs in "the bad old way".

You didn't mention the route to a boatman's license -If I remember correctly, it's basically PB2 plus a medical isn't it?

Your posts suggest concern about the ability and competence of the marshalls. I would draw your attention to the fact that one of the original methods of recruitment was through BIBOA, where the experience of the racing and cruising members in many cases compares favorably to that of the a Solent based charter skipper.
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Here is a link to a copy of the current rules (I think they may have been updated since this site published) for the license:
http://www.portsmouth-port.co.uk/pms...sociation'

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it's basically PB2 plus a medical isn't it?
From the above document, if you want to get an exemption:

Persons holding a current MCA Certificate of Competency for Deck Officers,
RYA Yachtmaster or Coastal Skipper Certificate, MCA Boatmaster's
Certificate or other higher qualifications shall be exempt from all parts of the
examination except that some licensing authorities may wish to examine all
applicants on local knowledge.

Yes to a medical. First aid and sea survival if you are to operate in a cat 4 area. And yes i had all of the above and still had to talk about the local hazards in the solent

Just noticed that the level 2 person does not even have to be the driver/skipper just has to be on board

Also, i have no doubt that the vast majority will be great out there but then it only takes one accident!!
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Yes, thanks for the link, I notice that there's good reason for Yachtmaster, Coastal Skipper, etc being exempt.... section IX (the syllabus) is only a little beyond PB2!
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