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Old 21 March 2005, 16:01   #11
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Firstly you are making a gross assumption that every one of the hundred boats is going to be manned by "Very inexperienced drivers
I don't recall making any assumptions, it can be one boat out there and if it is not licensed or coded then it will not have been inspected either.
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What would be the cost to have 100 charter ribs and their skippers out for 4 days on the water. Add that lot together and there would be no fleet review.
And how much do think the fleet review is costing? Chartering commercial ribs for four days would be absolute peanuts in comparison, trust me on that one as a member of HM Forces. If you think that there will be no fleet review because of a lack of ribs then I think this is slightly misguided.

Please do not take any of my comments personally as I am only viewing my opinion. Yes I will be taking this up with the QHM and the RYA.
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Old 21 March 2005, 16:04   #12
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So because a group of say 10 boats has a commercial skipper looking after them they will be fine and the rules don't count?

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I dont think I said that did I. I said that I have my concerns the same as you and many others do, but what can you do to resource such a large amount of boats.
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Old 21 March 2005, 16:05   #13
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The MCA are asking all coded ribs to submit themselves for a inspection prior to the fleet review. Does anyone know why a further inspetion is required prior to this event , i expect alot of us are going to get boarded
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Old 21 March 2005, 16:20   #15
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tcwozere, you’re right sorry, was trying to make a point
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np, my eldest was reading over my shoulder.. And as I had told her when she was 11, she had to be 12, I just wanted the point clarified so I could make her read that..
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They are working as they will be paid in kind (fuel etc) SM
As I understand it we will have a contribution to fuel used. Is this being paid, in kind or otherwise? I for one don't consider it to be so. Only a fool would accept payment at less than cost, a lot less when time is taken into consideration. I think compensation is a better description.
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I took a couple of mates out for a spin the other weekend. We stopped for lunch and I toped off the fuel tank. My mates paid for this fuel. Was I being paid? Did this make the trip a charter?
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Old 21 March 2005, 18:07   #17
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You are the front row marshals. You are working for QHM Portsmouth and acting under a warrant
Mark, agree with you are coming from but this is my whole point it is very iffy ground, imho. IE When you are a front row marshal and you hit another boat trying to keep the line are you just doing the QHM a favour at the biggest event on the south coast? Is your insurance going to see it as just this if there is damage, would the courts see it as compensation not pay if there was any legal claims due to an accident, god forbid. All reasons why a charter company has to get licensed/coded and pay for it.
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While not wishing to get involved HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE TOLD YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY WHAT YOU ARE DOING ARE YOU COVERED FOR THIS TYPE OF THING PLEASE CHECK BEFORE SIGNING UP
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It was a commercial operator with a skippers licence that hit the Hythe pier perhaps it is the people with so called 'experience' we should be worried about . Des
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This is ridiculous.

I have done safety cover for hundreds of events around the UK and never ever had any problems. Some have been for a QHM, MCA and the RYA. In most cases the deal is simple, if you want and Advanced Powerboat Instructor, Senior Instructor, Advanced Powerboat Crew and Ribtec 585 at your event then you pay my car fuel cost, boat fuel during the event, food and if its an overnight event then I'd ask for accomodation too.

I consider this to be reasonable expenses, not payment, not profit. My boat is not coded but the insurance company is aware of this and do not have a problem with it.

And now all of a sudden I'm doing something wrong, or at least that's what the consensus of some people seems to be!

Most sailing events could not exist without people like me giving time and equipment freely.

I'd love somebody to clarify the situation. Not an opinion, the real situation!

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