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Old 12 November 2009, 04:16   #1
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Flatacraft Force 4, Good first boat?!?!

Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone could help or give me bit of advice. Im looking at buying my first boat, ideally a 4m Avon. Im a complete novice and its quite scary spend £2000 plus when you have no idea what your really buying, I basically want something small, fun and solid. I dont mind spending that bit extra if the boats going to be that bit more seaworthy. `With all that in mind and doing a bit of research I decided to go for a 4m Avon with a 40 hp or something similar if I could find a good one at the right price, is this a good idea? a good first family boat? I live in Devon and Ive been searching for a while now, looked at a couple of things but have been a bit to well used (in my opinion) Now Iv found this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=220507471937

Its a Flatacraft Force 4, Im really interested in this as it ticks all my boxes (I think ?!?!) After reading up about them, mainly here, by the ways guys brilliant forum and it been really helpful so thanks! I know that this was on of the first RIBs invented, the boats only rated to take a 50 hp where as this has a 60 hp? Ive read something about screws and the deck being a problem? The price to me seems high as Im sure I could get a good Avon at this price and I think that Avons are a bit more desirable hence probably a bigger price?. The pictures and what the guy has had to say make it seem like its in good condition and Im considering a viewing but any help would be much appreciated. Is this boat a good substitute for an Avon?
Thanks Jamie
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Old 12 November 2009, 08:52   #2
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Jamie,

Welcome to Ribnet!

I'm afraid I'm going to be about as much use as a chocolate teapot with Flatacraft info, there's a few of the guys on here had one and could probably be more specific, but if you habven't found this thread http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8127 it;s probably worth a read before you go & see it. Not sure how novice you are, but if there's anything there that doesn't make sense, post back.

I can tell you about SR4's tho'. They are stonking little boats for their size, however they have a couple of common big problems to look out for - namely "floppy floors" & rotten transoms. The floppy floor is basically down to water having got in & delaminating the ply. (plenty of threads about that on here!) same goes for the transom, usually through people screwing a protective strip along the top & not sealing the holes adequately. Having said that, don't let that put you off looking at them - they are remarkably seaworthy & can be launched / recovered single handed.

For any rib a small leak can be patched, but also used as a bargaining tool for the buyer!


I now hand you over to the Flatacraft / Searider posses for better discussion.......
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Old 12 November 2009, 11:49   #3
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Hi, and welcome to Ribnet.

The Force 4 is a great boat that would fly with a 60 on, but isnít as good in rough conditions as a SR4

I canít view the ebay link until later as ebay is blocked here, but the 60Hp would worry me as a novice.
My Force 4 was overpowered with a 55HP, and needed fins on the cav plate to stabilise it. It was also very stern heavy as the Suzuki I had on it was a triple cylinder, and in realty I sacrificed stability and handling for straight line speed and acceleration.

I loved it at the time, but would not go with anything more than a twin cylinder on one again.
I believe the car style seating and dashboard layout works better with the force 4 than converting to a jockey seat as it was designed to have the weight down lower.
I would definitely have one again.

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Old 12 November 2009, 14:02   #4
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Thanks for the help guys, Think Im going to try and arrange a viewing over the weekend , the guy who is selling the boat is a power boat instructor and does it for a living, he said he would show me all the ins and outs of the boat and if I bought it give me a complete run through of how everything worked, Im also going to book my self onto a RYA power boat level 2 course to try and get as much base knowledge as I can. Nasher do you think that 60 hp is too big a jump for a beginer? When were talking about rough conditions what do we mean? would it have to be mirror flat, Im not planning on taking it out when there is a storm or anything like that, just on weekends, in the sun with the family but I know English seas arent the calmest so I dont want to limit my self to only going out once every blue moon!!! My other major concern, like every one else when ever they buy something is the price, Im perfectly happy to spend money on something if its worth it, Im not looking at getting a bargain boat but I also dont wont to be ripped off. Im finding it really hard to value this because there is very little to compare it to so any help would be much appreciated.
Cheers guys Jamie
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This look worth a a look http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=300366015581
My first RIB was a 4m searider I now have 8.5 m so watch out its addictive !
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Old 12 November 2009, 15:51   #6
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Nice looking SR4/Yam 40 here for £1500

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Avon-Searider-...item45ef35ac5d
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Old 12 November 2009, 16:00   #7
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Nice looking SR4/Yam 40 here for £1500

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Avon-Searider-...item45ef35ac5d
I'd buy this over the flatacraft anyday........ looks like a decent boat from the pics, well worth a drive to see.

Would get you home safely in pretty much any weather the UK can throw at you.
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Old 12 November 2009, 16:15   #8
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Nice looking SR4/Yam 40 here for £1500

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Avon-Searider-...item45ef35ac5d
If the engines good its worth every penny and more to someone looking for that set up
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Old 12 November 2009, 16:31   #9
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Yes, i can't see that one hanging around for long.
It's a nice 3-cyl Yam too - same basic motor as the 50hp.
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Nice looking SR4/Yam 40 here for £1500

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Looks like a nice find DHD

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