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Old 23 March 2009, 10:12   #71
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Just picked up this thread and thought I'd add a few observations.

I did a sea survival course at SWAC on the Itchen about 4 years ago and had the opportunity of setting off some flares (out of date) on the waterfront there. As others have said, it was both great fun and very very useful. Tons of smoke and every flare went off. No paras but we did use red/orange at the session.

Ever since, I've always kept a cheap leather gardening glove gauntlet thing in the flare container.

Last year I did a canoing trip with our local canoe club. On calling Portland coastguard to log out trip, they asked if we were carying flares and actively suggested we did (in addition to the handheld VHF that I had). "If you do need help, it makes it much easier for the helicopter to find you."

On the only occasion when I'd wanted to use a white flare to warn off a coaster that had turned into our path (at night); we were short handed on deck under spinnaker and it all happened too quickly to retrieve a white from the flare pack. Just had enough time to call all hands and take evasive action. (Closing speed was probably 25- 30 kts and things surprisingly fast by the time that you realise the course has changed.) Since, we carry a white close to hand in the companion way but I still think I'd rather get out of the way.
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Old 23 March 2009, 11:41   #72
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Don't want to split hairs, but the smokes are orange
Yes that is splitting hairs ! red becomes orange very quicly at any distance............

So is orange legal , but red not ? And who 'told' you that ?
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i suppose flying the union jack flag upside down and have in an orange coloured boat with a black wheel house constitutes the distress rules too ,
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Yes that is splitting hairs ! red becomes orange very quicly at any distance............

So is orange legal , but red not ? And who 'told' you that ?
Sorry for splitting hairs.

I accept that orange might look red to some people, (and indeed, even white flares get mistaken for red) but I'm not aware of anyone in the UK selling red smoke as part of a marine pyrotechnics package, so it isn't really an issue.
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have in an orange coloured boat with a black wheel house constitutes the distress rules too ,

You've lost me here. Why would this be a distress signal?
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Old 23 March 2009, 16:19   #76
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i suppose flying the union jack flag upside down and have in an orange coloured boat with a black wheel house constitutes the distress rules too ,
yep clearly - I was told you can get the death penalty on the IOW for this ...
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Old 23 March 2009, 19:01   #77
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You've lost me here. Why would this be a distress signal?
something orange and resembling a black square or circle in the middle...... as veiwed from the air or above ,......lol
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I'd therefore be interested if someone could post up the exact wording of the legislation which prohibits setting off flares other than in an emergency, and also the section which allows them to be used as demos and defines the circumstances, including who has authority to permit this use.
As far as I can find out so far, there isn't any such legislation. There's a separate thread about it here.

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" ‘The firing of a RED flare in a non distress situation is illegal under the Merchant Shipping Act and could divert valuable search and rescue assets away from a genuine search and rescue emergency. Marine distress flares are NOT fireworks, and if used incorrectly can be extremely dangerous. "
This only applies to distress flares fired from a vessel.
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orange smoke and white star shells used to be also , in aknowlagement of a distress signal too .
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Interesting Article in this months Motorboat Monthly:

http://www.zinio.com/reader.jsp?issu...&prev=sub&p=80

Talks about Flares etc

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