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Old 16 March 2009, 10:22   #21
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I was just trying to give people food for thought, because we allways have, does not mean it is the best way.

"LED headlamp prototypes
In the first quarter of 2005, three major automotive-lighting companies announced LED-based headlamps that would be ready for adoption into production automobiles in the next few years: Stanley Electric, Visteon (Van Buren Township, MI), and Hella KGaA Hueck & Co. (Lippstadt, Germany).
Stanley announced that it would start producing white LED-based headlamps in 2007, although it has not released much detail about the design or performance of the headlamps. It stated that its production capacity would be sufficient to supply 5000 vehicles per month in 2007. These are expected to be high-end luxury cars. By 2010 Stanley expects its capacity to reach 600,000 vehicles per month."

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My point being that the technology may be upon us sooner than we think.
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Old 16 March 2009, 10:39   #22
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He did take the audience by surprise and it was obvious that a number of people in the room could not envisage this happening.

My personal opinion is that these would have been the same people who could not envisage unmanned lighthouses, or the end of Decca, or the introduction of Decca, or vessels ceasing to emloy full time radio opeartaor to keep a listening watch on Channel 16, or in fact vesels actually keeping a listening watch on channel 16.

If the CEO of the MCA thinks that there are more modern, safer, more effective and more environmentally sound alternatives to the distress flare then I am all for it.

Just becasuese we have grown up with something does not stop it becoming obselete.
Did I miss something hear was he offering a viable alternative.
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Old 16 March 2009, 11:06   #23
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I was just trying to give people food for thought, because we allways have, does not mean it is the best way.

"LED headlamp prototypes
In the first quarter of 2005, three major automotive-lighting companies announced LED-based headlamps that would be ready for adoption into production automobiles in the next few years: Stanley Electric, Visteon (Van Buren Township, MI), and Hella KGaA Hueck & Co. (Lippstadt, Germany).
Stanley announced that it would start producing white LED-based headlamps in 2007, although it has not released much detail about the design or performance of the headlamps. It stated that its production capacity would be sufficient to supply 5000 vehicles per month in 2007. These are expected to be high-end luxury cars. By 2010 Stanley expects its capacity to reach 600,000 vehicles per month."

Taken from the web link below.

http://www.laserfocusworld.com/artic...html?id=241158

My point being that the technology may be upon us sooner than we think.

I agree they have come a long way but the problem is they are very directional and that is NOT a good thing when you want everyone to see you.

Also they still need batteries or some electircal supply and they have an annoying habit of failing - especially in a salt water environment!!!
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Old 16 March 2009, 11:30   #24
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Then it sounds like you need to get someone more sensible to write the risk assessment!

Who made this ruling, and what were the particular hazards that they identified with out of date flares?
well as it is a HM Coastguard station it would seem logical that the guy who is mentioned at the start of this thread might just have sommat to do with it perhaps
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Old 16 March 2009, 12:56   #25
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If anyone wants an organised flare demonstration, get in touch with the RNLI, it's one of the functions of their Sea Safety division (for the Forth or the Oban area, get in touch with me). For all the above mentioned Health & Safety reasons - whether or not you agree with them - we cannot allow you to bring along TEPs to fire off. We will supply in date flares for the demo
So what allows the RNLI to set of flares in a non emergency situation when I cant ? If I arrange something as a charity & do it thats OK then ( assuming I ignore H&S/ risk assesment/ liability insurance ) ?????????

As I said flares dont actually know the date they are set off so just coz it says on the side they have ' expired' they dont switch off over the stroke of midnight ! Too much paperwork & not enough common sense going on ........
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So what allows the RNLI to set of flares in a non emergency situation when I cant ?

I have had to report seeing flares twice now. Both times they were set off buy the Navy in training excercises. Seems to be ok for them too....

If flares were replaced by a suitable allternative i'd be more than happy to change. Especially if they were safer, enviromentally friendly, and more effective ..... hmm i'm pretty sure we have such items allready ?
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LED torches as bright as a car headlight? I have yet to see one. They may seem bright but would they light up such a large area? I think not.
You presumably haven't been looking to spend 100+ on mountain bike lights in the last few months then.

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The big advantage of a flare is it should always work - no batteries to run out - no electronics or aerials to get damaged etc etc.
so no flare has ever failed to trigger then?

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I also agree people should be allowed to set them off - in broad daqylight in a deserted quarry well inland it shouldn't be a problem and gives people essential practice.
ehhh ... i think you might have answered this one yourself ....
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So what allows the RNLI to set of flares in a non emergency situation when I cant ?
It's probably something to do with the 2-day training course for RNLI flare demonstrators, the several pages of risk assessment needed for every demonstration, and the many phone calls and emails before each event to advise the coastguard, police, fire service, air traffic control, local lifeboat etc etc (and calling them again immediately before and after the event to remind them).

No distress flares are used, just hand-held smokes, and white pinpoints and parachutes.

Nonetheless, the wind-up call to the coastguard afterwards always includes feedback on how many 999 calls came in
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It's probably something to do with the 2-day training course for RNLI flare demonstrators, the several pages of risk assessment needed for every demonstration, and the many phone calls and emails before each event to advise the coastguard, police, fire service, air traffic control, local lifeboat etc etc (and calling them again immediately before and after the event to remind them).
What does the 2 day course cover? Surely it can't just be about demonstrating flares - it's hardly rocket science!

Any chance of getting hold of a copy of that risk assessment? Parachute flares need some careful thought, but firing hand held flares and smokes is about as hazardous as making a cup of tea.
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Any chance of getting hold of a copy of that risk assessment? Parachute flares need some careful thought, but firing hand held flares and smokes is about as hazardous as making a cup of tea.
Me thinks you need a new kettle
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