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Old 05 November 2014, 14:01   #11
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It is a challenging situation and it seems a rather disjointed approach. Most people understand that they shouldn't be set off unless in an emergency but they do make it so damn hard to get rid of them that the inevitable temptation is there to set them off as a disposal route.

The sooner the alternatives are explored, recognized and approved the better.

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The sooner the alternatives are explored, recognized and approved the better.

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agreed, cue Scott
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agreed, cue Scott

you mentioned my name!

www.rescue-flares.co.uk

although not Solas Approved ...but good start!


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disposal of Flares

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...139/mgn419.pdf

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www.rescue-flares.co.uk

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Did you get anywhere with the TPAs ?
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It is a challenging situation and it seems a rather disjointed approach. Most people understand that they shouldn't be set off unless in an emergency but they do make it so damn hard to get rid of them that the inevitable temptation is there to set them off as a disposal route.

The sooner the alternatives are explored, recognized and approved the better.

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But they might be better explaining why it's a bad idea than making up laws that nobody believes will be enforced.
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pmed you now and answered on previous thread too on Friday...


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But they might be better explaining why it's a bad idea than making up laws that nobody believes will be enforced.
Classic scaremongering case, throw enough veiled, vague threats & people actually start to believe that it's actually illegal. It's all about intent. If the poster said "under the misuse of flares act 2014, it is an offence to....." then it would have had more credibility, but seeing as there isn't a "misuse of flares act" they have gone for the blunderbuss approach, which smacks of desperation. We come back to the usual question of "How big is the actual problem?"
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The big issue over here is not people letting off flares for entertainment - it's people phoning the CG for entertainment and making false reports of flare sightings. It's a big problem. My CG contact says they get a HUGE number of general crank calls too. The big issue with them is that they block the incoming phone lines to the Ops centers.
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But they might be better explaining why it's a bad idea than making up laws that nobody believes will be enforced.
So I don't believe in MOST cases a legal case would be pursued as u think 'words of advice' would be offered first. Even the fishing boat I think had previously had words of advice if not mistaken.

BUT there could be cases where those laws would be applied without 'words of advice'. Some cases I can think of would include:
- taking them to a mass gathering where the presence of explosives might upset the anti-terror guys. (Suspect if you don't give them lip you might get some words of advice, but do wonder if those words are in the street or a police interview room)
- if you cause injury with them
- if you cause a fire.

So there has been two high profile incidents involving firework type incidents in the last few years that vaguely fall into this criteria where the consequence was probably hard to see as 'likely'. The rugby club fireworks where smoke drifted over the motorway and there was a pile up. That went to court and not guilty I think. The fire caused by a Chinese Lantern. Don't think the person who lit it was ever found. Think the public would have been sympathetic that it was accidental. But if someone caused that with a flare would they have been or would they have said this was predictable and they deserve what they get...
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