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Old 11 January 2013, 19:14   #61
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Never said it was illegal.
And yet you said:
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Unless I'm mistaken a rocket is a firearm which is exempt from licencing.
I believe you are mistaken "old fashioned" (or are the American?) flare pistols are fire arms.
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I'd be surprised (but haven't checked) if the exemption doesn't in some way state its exempt when intended as a distress signal. When you decide to fire it for entertainment that may well change the game!
or it might all be internet hype and rumour! I draw your attention to R v's Mr A which is described here: What is a firearm (R v Mr A)? | 15NBS

Whilst the crown suggested that both fireworks and flares were firearms the defence argued that the barrel was not reusable and so was not (actually the case is even more complex - but the jury acquitted Mr A of possessing a firearm). That type of flare is much closer to the "gun" than a traditional parachute.

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Even if the firearms regs don't apply (and I'm less certain they do to handheld red /smoke), they could easily have you on a public nusience charge I'd expect?
(i) handheld reds and smokes are definitely not firearms as the definition of firearm requires the discharge of a shot, missile or projectile. (ii) I think you may struggle to convince even the prosecutor that discharging one glowing red object on 'bonfire night' was a public nuisance amongst all the other noisier, more spectacular stuff going on. Bearing in mind it needs to be in the public interest to prosecute. If you set it off near water or somewhere on the hills and triggered a search perhaps, but inland?

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I could even be convinced that "The Merchant Shipping (Distress Signals and Prevention of Collisions) Regulations 1996" could apply - nothing in them says the vessel needs to be afloat,
suggest you read section 2(1)a more carefully. "and other ships while within the United Kingdom or the territorial waters thereof";

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nor that the master of the vessel needs to be with the vessel... perhaps something in the wider Merchant Shipping legislation would say it can't apply.
I suspect there will be good case law to establish that you are not master if not on board!

I assume you have read this: Legislation about using distress flares

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And if none of that applies then does the Fireworks Act 2004 apply? As a flare will not be tested to comply with BS 7114, it could be considered a class 4 firework. I'm sure I read a firework is meant to provide entertainment. I'd suggest the reason its being fired during a fireworks night it may be being used for entertainment. Normal members of the public can't possess class 4 fireworks.
Well I'll bow to the "tall ones" expert knowledge on this but he obviously doesn't seem to think so...

For the avoidance of doubt I am not suggesting it is a good idea to set them off on the 5th November - but I do get irritated by people claiming on the internet that things are illegal which are probably not
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Just as an update..I took my out of date flares down to the rnli in Poole.

They ask you call them first to ensure there is someone who knows about flares to be there to take them.

Took them to their gate house where a really nice chap security guard made no fuss and took them with a smile and thanks.

I asked if I could keep the container..and was offered my choice of empty flare containers boxes! (Even a full sized box!). Also had a nice chat about the state of some of the stuff they get in...that can on occasion mean calling in RN bomb disposal team due to the appalling state.

Further great service from the rnli..

Only place I can see to get a laser flare of any tested /known type is spr.

I'll be buying shortly...wonder if I can still get a free pouch as a ribnobber?....
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yes - Peter I give you free case if you order up let me know.

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I like the idea of laser flares instead of carrying explosives around in my boat.

Are laser flares a viable alternative to all pyrotechnic flares or do you still need some explosive ones as well e.g. orange smoke or parachute ?

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I like the idea of laser flares instead of carrying explosives around in my boat.

Are laser flares a viable alternative to all pyrotechnic flares or do you still need some explosive ones as well e.g. orange smoke or parachute ?

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Hi Chris,

I am Uk & Ireland Importer of the Greatland Rescue Laser Flares and TRADE member

I carry Orange Smoke and 2 Paras in my my safety kit - but this Is because my boat was used for RYA courses and sometimes lead boat on cruises.

If I was not doing above, my boat safety kit would be:

buoyant orange smoke
PLB
icom DSC handheld with fist mic
AIS personal SART (only item I don't have)
Lifejacket Light
High Powered LED light (fenix pd30)

I carry GREEN rescue laser flare, unless I given it out on demo - I have a red light one on my car keys.

does this help you?

The Rescue Laser Flare Is designed to guide in your rescuer AFTER help has been raised by other means - VHF, AiS or PLB or dreaded mobile phone ....


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yes - Peter I give you free case if you order up let me know.

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I ordered one tonight. Feel free to throw in a case if you like
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I have pmed you to confirm your name!

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Am I missing something.....I thought you weren't supposed to shine lasers at planes/people etc?

I mean they seem a damn good idea but I thought this was a no no. Are they very low power or something?

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Am I missing something.....I thought you weren't supposed to shine lasers at planes/people etc?

I mean they seem a damn good idea but I thought this was a no no. Are they very low power or something?

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yes - never shine a laser pointer at planes / focused beam.

BUT

Greatland Rescue Laser creates an ever expanding laser beam meaning it will not affected pilots vision.

These have been tested by UK & USA military, and I have been issued safety certificate.

http://www.rescue-flares.co.uk/How_t...ty_flares.html

http://www.sprmarine.co.uk/content/u...er-flares.html

above link explains how they work...
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Just as an update..I took my out of date flares down to the rnli in Poole.

They ask you call them first to ensure there is someone who knows about flares to be there to take them.

Took them to their gate house where a really nice chap security guard made no fuss and took them with a smile and thanks.

I asked if I could keep the container..and was offered my choice of empty flare containers boxes! (Even a full sized box!). Also had a nice chat about the state of some of the stuff they get in...that can on occasion mean calling in RN bomb disposal team due to the appalling state.

Further great service from the rnli..

Only place I can see to get a laser flare of any tested /known type is spr.

I'll be buying shortly...wonder if I can still get a free pouch as a ribnobber?....
Ask for the laser flare free of charge and do a test / review in conjunction with RNLI and powerboat and rib magazine, im sure many of us here would be interested in how they perform. The free of charge bit for the PR value.

In terms of your previous post and how many flares and other safety kit you take out, definately not overkill in my opinion as sods law dictates that something will not work when you need it and hence if you have several ways of getting help then the risk is reduced.

I just discovered recently my fixed VHF cuts off / shuts off when I go to transmit, its an ICOM unit infact the same unit that seems the most popular on smaller boats, looking at the FAQ section of Icom and other forums it seems a common problem is the connections especially back to battery or around fuse holder degrading so will have to do some re-wiring this weekend. Point is I have flares , a mobile and a handheld VHF so if unit had failed I had alternatives.
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