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Old 15 August 2014, 16:44   #31
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Old 15 August 2014, 16:54   #32
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I had a call this week from potential customer - wanting to buy a rescue laser.

I asked him if he had a H/h radio or PLB - he said no. I then told him in his area of operation he would be better buying a radio or DSC h/h radio.

Since this would get home the help better than buying rescue laser flare alone .


Rescue Laser Flare is designed to guide your rescuer to you location after alerting by another means.

It can be used for finding retro reflective tape / markings.

There no golden rescue kit , you build up your own rescue kit to meet your own environment and type of boating.

I believe some Sea Survival Courses still do live flare demos - few of trade members in your area should be able to tell you.

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Yeh so split your flares into to groups. In theory, at least, rockets are for declaring distress and handheld/floating are for attracting attention/positioning.

A rocket burns for 40seconds. And most coastal packs have 2. So you pop off a flare and have to hope that someone is looking in the right direction in a period of 120seconds. They recognise what it means and know what to do when they see it. Then because it has a range of 20miles you have a search zone of something like 300sq miles!

Or you can use an EPIRB / PLB / DSC to give a position, maybe even know help is on its way...

Now your help is approaching...

there are 100 boats near by and you need to tell them which AWB you are. Smoke by day or Red HH by night.

But to be fair with 100 boats near by your smoke or RED HH would have worked. I suspect smoke is rarely needed if you are the only boat for miles and original pos was correct. Red HH at night might make more of a difference,,,

So the LED Laser Flares are to replace the Red HH. No experience of either but I think the Odeo would be an option for signalling distress to nearby craft plus locating, especially at night. The Gretland is great for locating, but maybe not so obvious as a signal of distress. BUT I think is strong enough to position by day...

So you get the following:

ROCKET - replace with DSC. EPIRB, PLB (?Mobile Phone)

SMOKE - replace with Gretland? But is probably the safest of the smokes...

RED HH - replace with Odeo or Gretland. If you only ever carried Red HH - possibly the Odeo...
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just to be clear - 0DEO no longer uses Lasers - it's now an LED strobe...and is on MK3 after 3/4 years on market.

MK1 & MK2 were rotating lasers.

Greatland Rescue Flares have been on Market since 2001 ! I been reselling them since 2007 !

I also carry Fenix LED torch with me IP8 rated and has SOS mode, and I have variety of Strobes including Lifejacket Light - these all good for under 3nM signalling.

RLF has greater distances see report from

http://www.sprmarine.co.uk/content/u...er-flares.html


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ROCKET - replace with DSC. EPIRB, PLB (?Mobile Phone)
Not sure if you're suggesting DSC and EPIRB/PLB, but worth noting that a rocket flare is likely visible up to 25nm by night, whereas a handled 5w VHF would likely only be good to around 5nm.

For long range alert you would, therefore, replace ROCKET with a 406Mhz beacon.
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25W DSC will cover 30NM

If you are never more than 5NM from a shore aerial thats all you need... Will be two way. redundancy is good though as MustRIB has shown us last year.

If not in company etc a PLB + DSC would be my preference, probably 25W DSC with 6W Handheld (+/- dsc).
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Now your help is approaching...

there are 100 boats near by and you need to tell them which AWB you are. Smoke by day or Red HH by night.
Not a million moons ago, I was fortunate enough to be offered yet another "familiarisation flight" on a SAR helo. During the course of the flight the helo was tasked to a sinking cruiser on a large lake. Unable to get shod of us civilians, the skipper kept us aboard as spotters. When we arrived overhead, there were a myriad of All White Boats on the bay in question and damned if we could spot the sinking vessel. Being a lake-boat, they had fkk all notion of how to run an emergency and so it fell to the RNLI to search the bay for them. A smoke would have resolved the situation in five seconds. I quite like flares, I've popped quite a number of them over the years and they're wile craic hi!
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If not in company etc a PLB + DSC would be my preference, probably 25W DSC with 6W Handheld (+/- dsc).
I resemble that remark!
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Not a million moons ago, I was fortunate enough to be offered yet another "familiarisation flight" on a SAR helo.
Was that like mustribs one or did you say you were thinking of buying one like you do to redbay ;-)
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When we arrived overhead, there were a myriad of All White Boats on the bay in question and damned if we could spot the sinking vessel. Being a lake-boat, they had fkk all notion of how to run an emergency and so it fell to the RNLI to search the bay for them. A smoke would have resolved the situation in five seconds.
I'd love to have witnessed what would have happened next on board your 'copter after they'd fired off a parachute flare in your direction, rather than a smoke one
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