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Old 20 September 2002, 02:01   #11
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It sounds to me that they didn't want to sell YOU the boat because you asked too many questions! I reckon you may have had a lucky escape.

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Old 20 September 2002, 09:53   #12
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From what I can see, although disappointing, this is quite a straight forward matter.

It's an ex-demo boat that Tohatsu wants to sell. They offer it at a good price, and are looking for a hassle free deal.

Pete shakes hands on the deal at the boat show, but afterwards says he wants to change the deal (make it subject to sea trial etc). In the meantime someone else comes along with the cash and says they'll buy the boat there and then.

I know who I would have sold it to.

[usual disclaimers, I am not a lawyer, I may not have all the facts, this is just my opinion etc etc]

Pete, it is difficult being sure that a deal is right for you when you are starting out, but sometimes the inevitable (and wise!) caution will mean that you miss out on a deal. Better this way than to rush into something and then find it's not for you.

Better luck with the next one!

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Old 20 September 2002, 14:58   #13
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John,

There is more to this than I think you know, I am going to put all the facts on the forum tomorrow for people to make up their own mind. What was done was despicable, but it was their boat to sell. As for the test drive I had asked for one but was offered it in a 7.1mtr with a 140hp engine! a bit like test driving a Mondeo when you are buying a Fiesta, call me suspicious, was there anything to hide, would YOU spend 14,000 without getting in the boat you were going to buy, would any reasonable person expect you to buy a boat without seeing if it floats? (it was on a tyre in the middle of a field!). Anyway I had been warned about them by two different people in telephone calls to me when I first made contact with them. I had also been warned that the boat had done more hours than they had said, and there was a story behind it. After speaking with them and putting this to them, they denied it, and I trusted what they said. I was willing to take the risk, but as for not seeing if it floats. I may be starting off but that is plain daft to me.

As I said, full facts will appear tomorrow with a copy to Tohatsu in Japan. I have worked there and I do not think they will take too kindly to their UK importer treating clients in such a way.

As far as I was concerned I was buying a boat from Tohatsu HQ in the UK. The name Tohatsu has been shamed by them.

Full facts to follow tomorrow,

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Old 20 September 2002, 16:25   #14
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Dear Flanker

There is nothing worse than being let down in this world and subsequently being disappointed....

However I think for your first boat spending 14K is a lot of money to find out if you like ribbing or not.

There are a lot of boats for sale out there and I really think a very late secondhand outfit bought from a genuine person could be a much better deal. By buying in the autumn you may even, (if you decide ribbing is not for you) , be able to onward sell in the spring without loss.

In my humble opinion you should be able to get a cracking outfit for around 6/7/8k secondhand. I think a good sized boat is a 5+ metre with a four stroke for economy.

Some good sites to give you an idea whats available are

www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk

www.buyaboat.co.uk

I'm sure you'll get plenty of help on this forum
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Old 20 September 2002, 19:53   #15
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Matibaoy,

I agree 100%, what is important is that people see what was done. I may be new to boating but I am honest, I was buying this one as a trial before buying something a little more serious. I have no problems with finding another one but the way in which I have had my time wasted by these people, without so much as a phone call to explain stinks. I took the advice from you, the people who know and have the real experience, when I dared to ask questions to Tohatsu UK it went very quiet, I just received a fax saying the boat was sold. The fax was after I had spoken to the sales manager the very day before, and a test drive was meant to be being arranged on the boat I was buying for this Saturday (not the 7.1mtr 140hp), hence my request for some guidance on this site, which was offered by many. I may be suspicious but I am sure that the word got out that Ribnet readers were on route! Anyway you have all done an excellent job with your advice and saved me from this mess, I hate to imagine what kind of warranty I would have had from this lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tohatsu UK of Lymington, MD David Lees.

Keep a look out for THE TRUTH tomorrow. Tohatsu UK you will never get a penny from me, as far as I am concerned you have shamed the name of the company Tohatsu (copies being sent to Tohatsu HQ in Japan)

Thank you to the informant, whoever you were, who warned me off, putting me on my guard, you were right! (I still don't know where you got my mobile number from)

Anyone who agrees with the way they treated me, is as bad as them.

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Old 21 September 2002, 01:41   #16
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Pete,

Interestingly if you do a search here for members with the word 'tohatsu' in the boat type it returnes...

...nothing!

As you say yourself we are 'the people who know and have the real experience' so does this maybe say something?

Take a look and the twin engined outfit for 7.5k on this site (i said that before - no commision, hoinest) a great starter outfit.

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Pete

It's beginning to sound like perhaps you ought to just get over it. Rantings promising to reveal "THE TRUTH" always start to sound alarm bells with me!

Whatever course of action you decide to persue I must insist that you do not involve RIBnet in any way.

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Old 21 September 2002, 05:04   #18
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John,

I am not 'ranting', just a descent person with morals. I take note of what you say, I want to place the facts and only the facts on this forum, I can back this up with documentation that will be available to anyone who would like to view it. This will detail MY experience with Tohatsu Marine UK, which I would like to share. I thought that this forum was for information sharing, I want to let the viewers make up their own mind.

The last thing I want to do is upset anyone on here, you have all been so good to me. John please answer these questions openly :-

Am I being silenced John?

Are dirty tactics condoned by RIBnet?

Am I permitted to the put facts of MY recent dealings with Tohatsu Marine Uk on this forum?

The only link with RIBnet is the great help and support that I have been given, there is nothing in the facts that mention RIBnet.

Companies who treat their customers in such a way have to face the consequences, they have to understand that as a result of their actions, others may wish not to deal with them either. Of course everyone is free to make their own choice. I have seen mention of preference to products on here, waht is the difference.

The facts will be published elswhere anyway, I just don't want to have to say that RIBnet refused to let me put those same facts on their forum.

John, I will however go with the majority here, as I said before it is your forum, and the best I have seen, well done John! If anyone out there wants to see or does not want to see the facts please send me a PM with YES or NO on, I won't disclose who did or didn't want to see it, I will go with the majority. I will postpone the facts until Monday to give you all the choice, as I said before, it is your forum and I respect that.

Thanks to you all for everything,

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John please answer these questions openly :-

Am I being silenced John?

Are dirty tactics condoned by RIBnet?

Am I permitted to the put facts of MY recent dealings with Tohatsu Marine Uk on this forum?
I'm happy to answer your questions, but please bear in mind that RIBnet is absolutely not a democracy, it is a benevolent dictatorship!

1 You are not being silenced. There is the whole internet out there for you to state your case if you so wish. If you want to put your facts onto a web site of your own, I have no objection to you posting a link to it. Once.

2 No, dirty tactics are not condoned by RIBnet. Nor are attacks on companies or individuals. There are better ways and means of making your views known or persuing a complaint. If people have received poor service then it is good to know, but I don't like ranting.

3 I'd rather you didn't. However, if you feel it is of genuine relevance to others here, then a brief outline of your version of events will suffice. I think we've had that.

Now, go and find that boat!

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Flanker,

whereabouts do you live?
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