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Old 09 January 2010, 16:09   #1
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Hi, im thinking of doing the i o m cruises for my first trip when the time comes,im hoping to get the necasary course,s Rya vHF gps by then,i was thinking of launching from new brighton at wallasay Liverpool ,dose anyone think this is a bit to ambitious for first trip with not much experience of sea.?
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Old 09 January 2010, 16:14   #2
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Their is a while between now and the planned date of the trip, so my advice would be to get some practice in when you can, and then see how you feel closer to the date.
Probably some more advice will follow shortly.
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Old 09 January 2010, 16:16   #3
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Simple answer is yes.Probably foolhardy.It may be fine if you had perfect conditions.But as many will tell you things can change very quickly.It would be very wise to go with a group.You have a ton of things to consider when going it along.
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thinking of doing the i o m cruises for my first trip........dose anyone think this is a bit to ambitious for first trip with not much experience of sea.?
Yes!

(1) Your first trip (either as a "new skipper" or with a "new boat") needs to be somewhere that you feel comfortable turning round and going home at any point if your not enjoying it, or something isn't working properly. No matter how much you say you wont, you will feel under pressure to continue with the group.
(2) The Irish Sea is not the best place to be testing a boat (whether brand new or new to you).
(3) Skippering a boat for that length of time is surprisingly tiring - especially if it is at all choppy. I'd suggest you want to practice a long run in more sheltered waters before embarking on an open sea crossing with few options for bailing out once committed.
(4) There is a temptation with a cruise in company to ignore the navigation etc - and assume you can just follow everyone else. On the 2009 IoM trip (that only made it to Anglesey) the weather was so bad that we lost visual contact with the other boats returning home - you need to ensure that you are equipped to deal with that from a navigation perspective. Whilst the PB2 course will cover the theory it won't do much in practice. As a 'novice skipper' you'll have enough to worry about without being a 'novice navigator' at the same time.

I'm not suggesting you shouldn't go but rather suggesting that you:

(a) get as much experience as you can before you go, ensuring you are confident in your abilities, and the boat is working properly. AND/OR
(b) consider paying an instructor to join you for the trip and provide one-to-one coaching on the whole cruising process. (probably cost a few hundred - but with the right 'coach' would be an excellent learning process) AND/OR
(c) consider if there is someone you know (or someone on here) who might take on that 'mentorring' role free of charge in return for getting to join the trip (if they don't have their own boat at the moment, or perhaps its in the wrong part of the world)

Last year's trip was in really unpleasant conditions. Even with some experience - I was glad I was only a passenger! There were enough wise-old-heads around to ensure everyone made it safely ashore somewhere but generally that was guidance rather than any direct intervention or supervision - your out on your own.


Edit - just looked at your profile 5.2m boat - is probably going to limit you to doing this trip in good weather only.
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Old 10 January 2010, 03:39   #5
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Edit - just looked at your profile 5.2m boat - is probably going to limit you to doing this trip in good weather only.
I was going to take my SR4!
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Old 10 January 2010, 04:31   #6
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I was going to take my SR4!
Yes but he hasnt got a searider.And youd be fine even taking that in bad weather with your experiance.Although the humber depending on what model has a forgiving hull desisn being swept up at the bow and with the 90 on the back a good set up
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Old 10 January 2010, 04:59   #7
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Yes!

(1) Your first trip (either as a "new skipper" or with a "new boat") needs to be somewhere that you feel comfortable turning round and going home at any point if your not enjoying it, or something isn't working properly. No matter how much you say you wont, you will feel under pressure to continue with the group.
(2) The Irish Sea is not the best place to be testing a boat (whether brand new or new to you).
(3) Skippering a boat for that length of time is surprisingly tiring - especially if it is at all choppy. I'd suggest you want to practice a long run in more sheltered waters before embarking on an open sea crossing with few options for bailing out once committed.
(4) There is a temptation with a cruise in company to ignore the navigation etc - and assume you can just follow everyone else. On the 2009 IoM trip (that only made it to Anglesey) the weather was so bad that we lost visual contact with the other boats returning home - you need to ensure that you are equipped to deal with that from a navigation perspective. Whilst the PB2 course will cover the theory it won't do much in practice. As a 'novice skipper' you'll have enough to worry about without being a 'novice navigator' at the same time.

I'm not suggesting you shouldn't go but rather suggesting that you:

(a) get as much experience as you can before you go, ensuring you are confident in your abilities, and the boat is working properly. AND/OR
(b) consider paying an instructor to join you for the trip and provide one-to-one coaching on the whole cruising process. (probably cost a few hundred - but with the right 'coach' would be an excellent learning process) AND/OR
(c) consider if there is someone you know (or someone on here) who might take on that 'mentorring' role free of charge in return for getting to join the trip (if they don't have their own boat at the moment, or perhaps its in the wrong part of the world)

Last year's trip was in really unpleasant conditions. Even with some experience - I was glad I was only a passenger! There were enough wise-old-heads around to ensure everyone made it safely ashore somewhere but generally that was guidance rather than any direct intervention or supervision - your out on your own.


Edit - just looked at your profile 5.2m boat - is probably going to limit you to doing this trip in good weather only.
cheers for the reply,i know the weather can change,i go out at whitby,16 mile out deep sea fishing on a fishing boat in north sea ,and that can get pretty rough, i don't think i would do it alone anyway, i did have a bit of confidence but after reading that message i've lost it now. If a 5.2 meter ribs not big enough to do it i dont envy chewy with his sr4 doing the crossing.
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Old 10 January 2010, 05:26   #8
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c cheers for the reply,i know the weather can change,i go out at whitby,16 mile out deep sea fishing on a fishing boat in north sea ,and that can get pretty rough, i don't think i would do it alone anyway, i did have a bit of confidence but after reading that message i've lost it now. If a 5.2 meter ribs not big enough to do it i dont envy chewy with his sr4 doing the crossing.
Your boat is big enough to do it.It will be your experience that would let you down if thing turn bad.And thats what Polart was meaning
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It's simple.....Organise a RIBnet cruise. That way you do your trip and have company. It will certainly be a learning experience
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Old 10 January 2010, 06:42   #10
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Hi, im thinking of doing the i o m cruises for my first trip...
Has the guy not said 'the' IOM cruise? Does this not suggest that he's looking to tagalong with the Ribnet organised event? If this is the case, I reckon he's got the right idea. Although, 5.2 is a tad tichy for offshore work IMV.
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