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Old 02 April 2005, 15:52   #21
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We could all do "Out of sight out of mind", but lets see if we can find what the official line is first.

If the official line stinks, then lets be sneaky. Trouble is in Hampshire the Trading standards have recently been trying to catch the garages out by buying fuel in thin plastic 2 Ltr water bottles. Now that is stupid, but we all suffer when somebody has to make the rules and doesn't fully understand the implications of them whether through ignorance or misunderstanding.

There must be a hell of a lot of us on here breaking the law with regards the carriage of fuel etc. That usually means the law is wrong and needs changing. To do that we have to apply pressure. that usually means talking to the 'Powers that be' and making them aware that there is a problem.

Thats the way I look at it. I am also prepared to see it the 'Trading Standards' way if they can show an alternative way to refuel my boat that is safe, economic and viable.

Somebody must be able to come up with a way to safely transport large quantities of fuel safely and satisfy the statutory powers. Its not just us boat users that require this.
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Old 02 April 2005, 16:02   #22
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We could all do "Out of sight out of mind"
It looks like lots of us do, and hence don't have a problem. Why expend energy banging your head against the bureaucratic wall when the subtle approach works well?
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Old 03 April 2005, 04:48   #23
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Interesting comments,I've E-Mailed Sainsbury's and asked them to explain there policy and send me a copy of it. If there is one?
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Old 03 April 2005, 05:32   #24
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one thing spings to mind reading this very interesting thread is if we had any mishap whilst towing' would our insurance be void because of the amount of fuel in car or tank on boat
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Old 03 April 2005, 15:33   #25
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I frequently get told off, but it's a bit late once it's in the can! Apologise profusely, protest innocence and try not to do it to the same person again.

Also most fuel pumps shut off automatically after 3 minutes or 100 L.
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If people persist in asking for the official line they may get an answer they dont want and it may also result in a round robin letter from T.S. to garages in their area reminding them of their obligations.
Result will be everyone struggling when trying to buy fuel in portable tanks/containers on that patch cos of a percieved clamp down. Similarly asking safeways/morrisons can have the same effect nationally at their stations when head office wakes up to an issue they didnt know of before and send round an instruction to all their stations to be on the look out for container sales and to refuse them. I buy fuel in cans at a certain supermarket to fill the onboard tanks on my boats but do it discreetely. If I start to have problems in future I'll perhaps know why! The phrase about sleeping dogs springs to mind!
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Agreed.
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Old 03 April 2005, 20:49   #28
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I noticed a notice at our local (Paignton) Sainsburys' this afternoon that said something like:

Local Authority regulations permit a total of

5 Litres in approved Plastic containers
25 Litres in approved Metal containers.
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Old 04 April 2005, 16:08   #29
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From a certain trading standards site
The storage of "Petroleum Spirit" at domestic premises is permissible under certain circumstances.
One piece of legislation covering domestic storage is contained within- The Petroleum Spirit (Plastic Containers) Regulations 1982
The regulations provide exemption from the requirement of a Petroleum Licence, for storing certain amounts of petrol kept in authorised plastic containers, for the purposes of refuelling internal combustion engines.
For storage in authorised plastic containers without a licence, the containers must:
Be constructed of suitable material, which is designed for the storage of petrol;
Have a maximum capacity of 5 (five) litres only;
Be designed and constructed to prevent the escape of petrol and enable the safe pouring from the container;
Have appropriate markings or labels i.e. 'Petrol Highly Flammable' firmly affixed.
The quantities that can be legally stored are: TWO 5-litre containers kept ON any motor vehicle, motorboat, or hovercraft; PLUS two further 5 litre containers kept in a safe place in any domestic premises; *
*Petrol should NOT actually be stored in the house. Petrol should NEVER be stored in places where there is a possible source of ignition such as near central heating boilers, or where electrical equipment may be used, or where there is a lack of ventilation or is accessible to minors.
Such types of authorised petrol containers are available at most service stations and motor accessory outlets.
Other plastic storage containers may not be of suitable construction / material for the storage of petrol, as it may well eat away at the plastic allowing the release of petrol and explosive vapour into areas where it may meet ignition sources.
Storage outside of these regulations may possibly be illegal and require a petroleum spirit licence. Storage of petrol may also invalidate home insurance policies and therefore should only be considered where absolutely necessary
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and this is from hampshires
Metal Containers should not exceed 23 litres capacity, be permanently labelled ‘Petroleum Spirit - Highly Flammable’ and be fitted with a secure leak proof cap.

Plastic Containers should not exceed 5 litres capacity and comply with the Petroleum Spirit (Plastic Containers) Regulations 1982.

They should be legibly marked with the Manufacturers name; month and year of manufacture, nominal capacity in litres; legend stating “Complies with S1 1982/630”; the words ‘PETROL and HIGHLY FLAMMABLE’ ; hazard warning sign and precautions to be taken.

its there if you look!
some time ago I rather think plastimo had to withdraw 20l plastic containers cos of the regs.
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