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Old 16 March 2005, 12:37   #31
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With the current trends in people resorting to the courts for compensation at the drop of a hat, if anything went wrong I would want to have proof that I had had proper training and my qualifications counted
Just a thought though Cookee, If we both made the same mistake and hurt a 3rd party, who would they clobber more, me being untrained, or you being the trained expert who should have known better?
Hey I'm not saying don't get trained, I'm doing a level 2 ASAP, but as I said, just a thought.
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Old 16 March 2005, 12:51   #32
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Just a thought though Cookee, If we both made the same mistake and hurt a 3rd party, who would they clobber more, me being untrained, or you being the trained expert who should have known better?
Hey I'm not saying don't get trained, I'm doing a level 2 ASAP, but as I said, just a thought.
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If you're taking paying passengers out without a qualification, you should get "done" for that as well!

If you're not taking out paying passengers I think it would be on how stupid you were - on the basis we're talking apples for apples training and qualifications shouldn't make any differance - IMHO of course!
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Erm...

Cookee/Kernow,

I guess that the difference would probably be that Cookee would be insured to take out passengers (qualification being required through MCA regulations etc), and would be subject to investigation through the 'usual' routes, whereas you would just get taken to the cleaners for doing something illegally!!

As has been said previously, it's about illustrating a standard, and complying with the current regulations - so there will always be a degree of 'box ticking'.

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Old 16 March 2005, 13:09   #34
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If you're taking paying passengers out without a qualification, you should get "done" for that as well!
Yep, for sure no problems with that.
I was thinking more along the lines of we both hit a waterskier in identical circumstances ( No, not the same waterskier!!) who if anyone is more liable the novice or the expert?
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Cookee - no probs!!

Am a bit unclear whether there is confusion re Level 2. So here are some facts to clear up what may be clear anyway!
  • Level 2 is a two day course.
  • Usually you are continually assessed to decide whether you reach the standard... but...
  • Schools have the option of inserting a 'test' at the end of the course to assess you. I don't know of any that do (or more to the point have time to)
  • You can take a test for Level 2 (called 'Direct Assessment' - as you can for the Advanced). It is up to schools to decide how long this takes but 2-3 hours is typical
  • Schools either award Inland or Coastally endorsed certificates.
  • Anyone (over the age of 12) can attend a Level 2 course (12-18 year olds have their certificates endorsed)

As to whoever it was said that the RYA is profiteering from Level 2 courses then frankly that is rather wide of the mark. We pay an annual fee to the RYA (about 160) and about 3 a certificate, thereafter ALL the cost of the Level 2 course reflects what the school feels it needs to charge. Typically this is 250-350. Equally the RYA doesn't force anyone to do a course. The MCA require people to be suitably qualified for certain tasks and it is the RYA that provides the training scheme to serve the needs of the MCA.

Somewhat ironically there is some truth in what Kernow says re qualifications and if two people have the same accident the more qualified one is likely to take a larger fall as they may be percieved to know what they should be doing moreso than a less experienced person. That said Kernow if you do decide to do some charter work without being qualified then do let us know as i'm sure one or two of us might like to tip off the gentlemen with the nice yellow Halmatic RIBs

Think that covers it!!

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Sorry Jono

The double L plate thing is in UK law. The requirement for HGV L's is now a thing of the past.

And yes, I would run aswell.
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Sorry Jono

The double L plate thing is in UK law. The requirement for HGV L's is now a thing of the past.

And yes, I would run aswell.

Jeez... now THAT is scary.....
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That said Kernow if you do decide to do some charter work without being qualified then do let us know as i'm sure one or two of us might like to tip off the gentlemen with the nice yellow Halmatic RIBs
Hi paul,
No chance of any competition from me! I run a holiday park in Cornwall and get out on the water to get away from the tourists! The thought of filling the Rib with them is not a happy one!! Speaking of tourists/summer I will be 'winterising' my Rib for June July & August when I just can't use it.
Now a no brainer, what agency uses the 'nice yellow Halmatic Ribs'?
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Sorry Jono

The double L plate thing is in UK law. The requirement for HGV L's is now a thing of the past.

And yes, I would run aswell.

Dave,

It looks like you have been misinformed. As holder of an "Operators Licence" myself, I though I'd better check it out with the Licensing Authorities.. This is their response.

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I am sorry but the information you have been told is incorrect.

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Not sure what you mean - how does a level 2 allow you to "take people on the water"
the level two does not allow you to take people on the water for that you will need to take your advanced powerboat certificate and then get yourself commercially endorsed, thats if your on about taking people on charter.
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