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Old 31 May 2006, 17:29   #51
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Jon, the Tohatsu is 6.6m, thats length overall so chopping off the rear tubes and front flange say 19 feet. Your right though the Solent has been changed and the chines are different from Tohatsus. Interestingly the rear 3m of the Tohatsu hull is almost a constant shape rather than a warped V which would change gradually, a warp would of course be quite difficult to chop a metre out of. The bottom chine to keel is odd in that it doesn't match the other chines shape or follow the V shape. In a stern sectional view, the chine outside vertical surfaces measure 220, 420, 620 and finally 820 mm from the centre line of the boat. The deadrise was 20'.6" by calculation and 21 degrees by measurement, the difference could be down to errors in measuring the hull.

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Old 31 May 2006, 17:34   #52
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7.5metre + wiv a poksy 200 an a topp spead ov less dan fiffty aynt noe perfawmence bote. an heers mee finkin yew new abowt botes. gArf
Oh, how disappointing : perhaps he should buy a Tohatsu for his next boat then
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Old 31 May 2006, 18:48   #53
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Jon, the Tohatsu is 6.6m, thats length overall so chopping off the rear tubes and front flange say 19 feet. Your right though the Solent has been changed and the chines are different from Tohatsus. Interestingly the rear 3m of the Tohatsu hull is almost a constant shape rather than a warped V which would change gradually, a warp would of course be quite difficult to chop a metre out of. The bottom chine to keel is odd in that it doesn't match the other chines shape or follow the V shape. In a stern sectional view, the chine outside vertical surfaces measure 220, 420, 620 and finally 820 mm from the centre line of the boat. The deadrise was 20'.6" by calculation and 21 degrees by measurement, the difference could be down to errors in measuring the hull.

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The deadrise on a P23 is indeed pretty constant for the first half of the running surface (from the transom, fwd), then the deadrise warps into a finer entry.
The feature of the innermost spray rail to the keel being a different deadrise than outboard of the inner rail, is the feature I was refering to in my earlier post, and I think fairly unique to the phantoms designed from 1986>. It's kinda like a pad keel that emerges from the inner rails about 5 feet fwd of the transom, probably less on the shortened Tohatsu. this inner pad has a deadrise of circa 10 degrees.

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Just been looking again at the pic of the '99 Tohatsu hull. another give away to it being shortened, is that the point where the running surface meets the transom should/would be a very sharp corner, thus the water breaks away from the transom cleanly at speed, in that pic, it appears the edge is radiused, this would be where a 'plant' or 'dam' would have been fixed in the mould to create the transom at the desired length, and a plastercine fillet wiped around the interface tween 'plant' and 'mould' to seal the tool.

If you get a chance, measure the distance from the transom, to the detail on the innermost spray rail where the pad keel ends. I'd bet that the difference in that dimension, and the same dimension on an Evo, is also the difference in the boat length tween Tohatsu, and Evo 7.5.
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Richard thats a very kind offer.
That's the kina guy I am!
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Can I bring a friend ?
Aren't you allowed out on your own? You'll be telling me you've got mittens sewn into your sleeves next!
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You'll be telling me you've got mittens sewn into your sleeves next!
Nowt wrong with that! I've got em meself! and a 'L' & 'R' on me plympsoles too!
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I've got M&S on my socks!

That doesn't help does it?
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The Phantom 28 mould WAS loaned to Tornado. (FOC)., who made ribs from it's running surface,
JF, I remember Tornado openly advertising their big rib as being based on a Phantom hull. I had a brochure with that info in it. It must have been about 9-10yrs ago.
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Re the Tornado, to my knowledge not, but you would have to check with Tornado direct on that.
Surely as sole agent for Tornado sales, you would know 'exactly' how many of the big ribs have been sold, ie, the 9.5m and up, would you care to share that information with me?

I don't need to check with Tornado at all, as I know for a fact they've paid nothing (zero), so the only unknown factor, is just how many they sold, this will be the exact number they also 'failed' to pay for.
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JW, yeah, 9-10 years is about right, see quote below:

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Spot on.

Just spoke with Steve Baker, it seems Elite ribs (mentioned earlier by BMC) were using legitimate running surfaces from the Phantom range, as were Tornado with their smaller boats, though this was a while back i think.

The stuff about the Phantom 28/Tornado 9.5 all happened about '96/'97 and is fact, not speculation.

Crompton also stole/used the Phantom 25 hull (like Leeway), Steve chased it up, but as usual, there's little that can be done.
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