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Old 31 May 2006, 04:29   #41
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the copyright to the Evo derivitive of the phantom 23 belongs to Neil Holmes
. . . and anyone who has seen the size of Neil would probably decide that splashing an Evo would probably not be in their best interests!

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Old 31 May 2006, 05:07   #42
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The missing link ?

I think the missing link from Phantom to Solents goes something like this. In 1995 BWM wanted a new fast race boat, which suddenly appeared in the shape of the XP21. At the time BWM (at there Emsworth Quay workshop) were trying various exotic materials like kevlar and carbon fibre. Indeed Paul explained that early attempts ran into problems when they had difficulty cutting the cloth prior to lay up. I seem to remember being told the new boat was based on a Phantom, although not being part of the hard boat racing fraternity the implications were not immediately obvious. I also saw a FGT on a podium at the Feb Poole boat show about that time and wondered what all the fuss was about as everyone crowded around. Didn't realise he was such a knowledgable and likeable chap who would inspire some interesting threads later on Ribnet , but it did give the rest of us a chance to talk to Ribcraft (a one man band at the time) whilst the tyre kickers were otherwise occupied.

Anyway, BWM only built a few XP21s mainly down to the cost. From memory a young Mike Deacon raced one that year, in all yellow with twin 60 Yams. A minor misshap with the fuel calculation sadly cost him the Solent Race in his class, still he has done rather well since.

In 1998 BWM folded, however I think Porters in Tarquin Harbour round the corner were building the hulls whilst BWM fitted them out in Emsworth. (BWM moved opposite to Porters about 96). So when BWM folded Porters would have had access to the moulds or may have even been the owners. Since Porters also supplied Tohatsu there hulls I think they came from the same mould and from Tohatsu Solents developed.

Which Phantom hull was used I am not sure, but I may have some keel shots of an early Tohatsu at home which JF might recognise.

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mmnn, very interesting!

That Lemmer fella has 'waxed up' a few bottoms in his time eh!

you ribnobbas are a dodgy lot.
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Official Phantom UK 5.5M RIB, photo courtesy of Boatmad
I'd like to point out that 'phantom uk' is NOT Phantom as in Steve Bakers company.

Two guys bought the moulds & rights to the Phantom 16 and 18 hardboats from Steve when he retired, they have now built a rib based on a modified Phantom16 hull with their own design console. This is what has been posted here. (the rastafarian one)

So no connection with the Evo range of ribs at all.

Just wanted to clarify that.
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mmnn, very interesting!

That Lemmer fella has 'waxed up' a few bottoms in his time eh!

you ribnobbas are a dodgy lot.
Paul Lemmer (Gawd blessim) when asked by yours truly in 1998 prior to placing an order for a BWM DS21 (the wide version not the narrow race one) told me that he had designed the hull!

In them days I knew considerably less about ribs and hardbotes than I do now. Paul is a lovely chap, great guy to have a beer with. I just wouldnt buy another boat from him!
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Paul Lemmer (Gawd blessim) when asked by yours truly in 1998 prior to placing an order for a BWM DS21 (the wide version not the narrow race one) told me that he had designed the hull!

In them days I knew considerably less about ribs and hardbotes than I do now. Paul is a lovely chap, great guy to have a beer with. I just wouldnt buy another boat from him!

MMmmnn. I'll share a few wee pics I took last year, of a boat that was being loaded into a container, and exported to some far away continent. It appeared to be a Ring hull, but I don't know any more than that. The owner had just bought the boat from Mr 'L', along with a new engine.

The pics show some lovely work that had been done to 'tidy it up'. The really odd bit, was the bit underneath that looked like there was timber of some sort in the hull skin itself!

He did (the new owner) tell me the price he'd just paid, I can't remember the number, but I do remember feeling dizzy.

Edit> These pics are of the bottom of the hull.
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told me that he had designed the hull!
hmm, lets park that one for a dark winters night. Over to JF then, photos of a 99 Tohatsu.

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Pete, Would you like me to demonstrate how to keep a fast RIB level at speed?
Richard thats a very kind offer. I have always thought it would be fun to charter a day with this chap Good Guy but if your offering to teach me from your experience I would be delighted, you never know what you can pick up from an expert Can I bring a friend ? Stu also tells me he would like to learn how to drive a Scorpion.

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Are you on drugs!?!
NO and if your offering to supply, no thanks. Please ensure there are no funny cigarettes on Blue Ice before stu and I have our training.

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hmm, lets park that one for a dark winters night. Over to JF then, photos of a 99 Tohatsu.

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There's a small detail, a few feet along the inner spray rail of that first pic that along with the other similarities, confirms for me that the Tohatsu rib is indeed a Phantom 23 splash, tho' maybe shortened slightly (what length is a tohatsu?)

I read somewhere on here once, that the 'Solent version' had a few minor changes done to the hull, it would appear, that one such change was the 'red herring' I spoke about earlier, ie, the shortening of the sprail rail detail where it approaches the stem.

The jigsaw is coming together.

If the Tohatsu was made in '95, the donor boat would have to have been quite new! probably less than a year old.
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also tells me he would like to learn how to drive a Scorpion.
oi deer boyy

hee didunt saiy hee wud showw yew ow too dryve a scawpiun yew nobbur.

dis iz wot hee sed.....


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You need to learn to drive a performance RIB dear boy
7.5metre + wiv a poksy 200 an a topp spead ov less dan fiffty aynt noe perfawmence bote. an heers mee finkin yew new abowt botes.

wee nead a chinnskracher smylie onn dis syte

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